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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoky
    Aiyah, being not interested in the opposite sex is okay.
    But just dun get turned on from the same gender.

    Homosexual is illegal in Singapore.

    eh..dont want to put too fine a point on this but homosexual is not illegal. If the law catched you in the act of a sexual nature between same sex, the law deems that act as unnatural sex and you can be arrested. But to declare that if you are a homsexual or gay or lebian ( whatever label you want to put on them today) is NOT ILLEGAL.

    The govt has done enough indrect and sometime direct hammering on this subject and (tax paying) folk that come under those label. Let's not go there in clubsnap.org. I like to think we have HIGHER standards then that.

    I ain't gay but I know quite a few in my line of work. If you take your mind off SEX for a moment you see they are no difference then you and I. Discrimination always starts like that. That how Neo-Nazi nonsense and religious fanatic get their beginings. It starts with being a closed minded individual.
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    I hv the honor of shooting some nude and I must say that a true artist will make full use of this opporunity to make the most out of his/her photos instead of undesire sexual thoughts... Shooting nude is one of the most artistic expression of art...

    Of cos, day in day out u see naked bodies, it does not help you garner more appeal to them... But to say you lose interest totally after seeing too much naked bodies around might hv a certain degree of health issue here... go consult a doctor/psychologist or something...

    Also, I believe in creative line, including media, design and wat not... we see lots of homosexual personalities... Every productions I have been in, I am honored to have at least one I am working with... They are really no different from us and I really enjoy working with them...

    I AM NOT GAY AND I AM HAPPILY MARRIED WITH A BEAUTIFUL WIFE...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoky
    Homosexual is illegal in Singapore.
    Really?? I saw a few gay bars here. There is one at Chinatown which occupys two buildings. Was told that those colour flags connotates to something.

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    Being gay is not illegal... it's the backside screwing that's not allowed.

    Hmmm... I think guy screw girl backside is also illegal right ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoky
    Aiyah, being not interested in the opposite sex is okay.
    But just dun get turned on from the same gender.

    Homosexual is illegal in Singapore.
    So?

    If someone's going to declare that he's homosexual, are u going to ring up the police and have the chap arrested?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus
    I had a chance to talk to a fellow photog who has shot one too many nude female forms and he says that after a while, he just doesn't get turned on anymore....
    If he shoots food he will not be interested in eating?

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    d photographer in question either needs

    1) a break from work
    2) c a doc/ councellor, etc
    3) hav his sexual craving fulfilled
    4) switch profession

    liddat oso call occupational hazard.

    den a food reviewer got it worse- there's nothing gd 2 eat liao...

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    i dont see how you can equate shooting a lot of nudes with losing interest in the opposite sex. interest in the opposite sex has much more than just sex! in fact i think that shooting many nudes would disassociate interest in the opposite sex from mere physical attraction. in any case, i think the feeling is momentary and not permanent.
    its like saying if you have lots of good food, you might not want good food anymore. overindulgence in anything reduces its value, but the reduction is only momentary. you might not feel like having sex (and its better you dont feel like ) when you are doing nude photography, but surely that doesnt make you permanently disregard beauty.

    its like saying if you travel to all the beautiful places in the world, you wouldnt feel like traveling anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus
    I had a chance to talk to a fellow photog who has shot one too many nude female forms and he says that after a while, he just doesn't get turned on anymore....

    Ya lah. There was a nude photographer who was so sicked of nudity that he changed to landscape.

    Now all he shoots is Mountains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus
    Recently, it seems like nude photography is finally coming out of the closet in Singapore. I had a chance to talk to a fellow photog who has shot one too many nude female forms and he says that after a while, he just doesn't get turned on anymore.... (Ok, bear in mind that not all female forms are perfect when nude)
    Err .. first time I shoot outdoor nude didnt turns on leh ..... ...how ??



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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
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    Now all he shoots is Mountains.
    Twin peaks ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by arampan
    Being gay is not illegal... it's the backside screwing that's not allowed.

    Hmmm... I think guy screw girl backside is also illegal right ?

    Actually , if she did report you, you can be charged for unnatural sex (sodomy is considered unnatural) in fact her report could be looked upon as rape if she did not consent to it and you did it anyway. Thus if she report you...you could be haul in or least it would be a landmark case in the subodinate courts which will up for debate what should in the modern age be updated and relooked int what's natural and unnatural heheheh... Care to be the first?

    What you do behind closed doors ...remains in closed door...till someone speaks up heh.



    Getting back to the topic of the thread, I have shot nude and to some extend it does effect you in not so much a sexual way but you do lose that attraction or maybe I should say you get "dulled" after which it takes alot more to get you excited heh. Once you have heaven you will not want the "normal". This can be temporary or it could something you will live with and for some of the lucky ones you just might end up having the cake and eating it all by yourself as you stuck gold and found the sexiest creature to please your lens and move your loins heheheheh....I think we do have this nature in all of us not just with a nude body..in some cases we can accept it in another situation ( man made morale or what have you) dictate that that is the wrong thing to do. To each their own I say.... just like an individual's sexual orientation I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet
    So everything can be a mystery, not only the body of a nude female. Everythings around us is unique. So, everything is a mystery. Cool, makes life interesting!

    But really, why is a women's body a mystery? Why should it be?

    Oh, one question, hmm... how to explore a woman's body, please enlighten us ...
    Hey there,

    They say "Women's heart are like needles deep in the sea".

    I say "Women's bodies are a mystery. Every lines and curves are an adventure."

    Depending on how you shoot, you may add mystery to woman's body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet
    I beg to differ that shooting nudes will decrease your interest in the opposite sex (females). For I do not see women's body as something of a mystery, if it was, I won't be shooting them, right? After shooting alot, the standard of what is beauty wil probably change, but that does not equate to loosing interest. .
    You missed the point, I did not say that you loose your interest in females, I said and I guote "I did quite a lot of nude and semi nude shooting when I was younger and yes it does reduce your interest in females in a sexual manner."

    Note the wording, "sexual manner", that is the crux of the matter. Virtually every young photographer has thoughts about having sex with the model, unless she's an old hag or the photographer is gay. That is the nature of human sexuality. I am not saying that you don't concentrate on producing the best quality work you can, but when you get to the point where you have not even a single thought of 'gee nice body' or 'wow she's hot' (being nice about the thoughts here as it's a public forum) then you have reached the point where the nude female form no longer has any impact on your male thought processes. This point is quite often reached by those who shoot lingere catalogues, pornography, or artistic nudes on a regular basis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet
    I absolutely do not see any relations to denying self gratification, shooting is shooting, to make a beautiful image. Unless, shooting nudes equates to some proxy for sexual gratification, then you will have a problem.
    It does with a lot of photographers, they do use it for sexual gratification, that's my whole point. Professional detachment is the only way to go, otherwise you wind up just being another pervert with a camera if you are so inclined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian
    You missed the point, I did not say that you loose your interest in females, I said and I guote "I did quite a lot of nude and semi nude shooting when I was younger and yes it does reduce your interest in females in a sexual manner."

    Note the wording, "sexual manner", that is the crux of the matter. Virtually every young photographer has thoughts about having sex with the model, unless she's an old hag or the photographer is gay. That is the nature of human sexuality. I am not saying that you don't concentrate on producing the best quality work you can, but when you get to the point where you have not even a single thought of 'gee nice body' or 'wow she's hot' (being nice about the thoughts here as it's a public forum) then you have reached the point where the nude female form no longer has any impact on your male thought processes. This point is quite often reached by those who shoot lingere catalogues, pornography, or artistic nudes on a regular basis.

    Agree only to a point. Did a fair amount of shooting nudes in years past, prob not as much as a pro shooting catalogs or porns, but didn't feel that my thought process was not impacted by the sight of a beautiful nude. One thing though, the standard did and is still climbing by itself. Don't see it is a problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian
    It does with a lot of photographers, they do use it for sexual gratification, that's my whole point. Professional detachment is the only way to go, otherwise you wind up just being another pervert with a camera if you are so inclined.
    Agreed. Sad. There are much better, more direct, and definately much healthier ways to get swxual gratification, than to shoot some nude models.
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    Hahaa... interesting reads....

    Yeah, I totally agree that with Ian and Deadpoet that professional detachment is impt when doing nudes or just shooting an attractive member of the opposite sex, else you are just some pervert or DOM holding a camera.

    But that being said, if you are straight, I think its normal to feel some form of admiration of beauty / attraction - afterall, that is built into your biological system and its what drives you to create an image which you can call a beautiful picture versus creating an image called porn...


    Nudity, when rare is always mysterious and when its common, its just another job. I think that is the main thing. Too much of anything is bad. Its like durian... once upon a time durians were rare... its seasonal and you only get to eat it once a year. Now its available whole year round. Yes, we still like durians but wont you agree its not so much of a treat now??

    That is why I think its kinda extreme to say that one has lost all interest. He's probably exaggerating it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus
    Hahaa... interesting reads....

    Yeah, I totally agree that with Ian and Deadpoet that professional detachment is impt when doing nudes or just shooting an attractive member of the opposite sex, else you are just some pervert or DOM holding a camera.

    But that being said, if you are straight, I think its normal to feel some form of admiration of beauty / attraction - afterall, that is built into your biological system and its what drives you to create an image which you can call a beautiful picture versus creating an image called porn...

    Well, I always fall in love with the model when I am shooting her, the key is, promptly fall out of love afterwards. It is very important to develop a close rapport with the model, afterall, she is at the very least 50% of the final image. And do I find them attractive, of course the answer is yes, else why would I be shooting her. But where professionalism comes in is you can harness that feeling and create the image, rather than just getting a stiff and fustrated.


    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus
    Nudity, when rare is always mysterious and when its common, its just another job. I think that is the main thing. Too much of anything is bad. Its like durian... once upon a time durians were rare... its seasonal and you only get to eat it once a year. Now its available whole year round. Yes, we still like durians but wont you agree its not so much of a treat now??

    That is why I think its kinda extreme to say that one has lost all interest. He's probably exaggerating it...
    It is a pity that Singapore is stucked in the 19th century. The female body is one of the most beautiful form in the world. I can never get enough.

    I am crossing my fingers that too of of this will not become a bad thing.
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    It is a pity that Singapore is stucked in the 19th century. The female body is one of the most beautiful form in the world. I can never get enough.

    EH....and what's wrong with the MALE BODY? To admire one is to admire the other don;t you think?. They are suppose to be a pair after all. hehehe .... Welcome to the Millenium.

    Incidently, if I were to indulge in nude photography again...the only women that would interest me to shoot would be a Amazonian Body Builder. That would be really challenging to shoot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888
    EH....and what's wrong with the MALE BODY? To admire one is to admire the other don;t you think?. They are suppose to be a pair after all. hehehe .... Welcome to the Millenium.

    Incidently, if I were to indulge in nude photography again...the only women that would interest me to shoot would be a Amazonian Body Builder. That would be really challenging to shoot.
    Nothing wrong with the male body. I am not into photography to make a statement, nor am I doing it to usher in tht Millenium. I shoot because I enjoy doing it! And just so happen, my preference is the female body when I am shooting nudes. No plans to change, old habits die hard.

    Now, an Amazonian would be fun to shoot
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet
    Agree only to a point. Did a fair amount of shooting nudes in years past, prob not as much as a pro shooting catalogs or porns, but didn't feel that my thought process was not impacted by the sight of a beautiful nude. One thing though, the standard did and is still climbing by itself. Don't see it is a problem.
    I got trapped about 20 years ago when I was a press photographer. For a couple of years I was shooting catalogues on the side, and used to do 1 or 2 a week with the catalogues being a mixutre of retail store (bra's panties, jocks etc) as well as a more adult nature (adult lingere etc). Most of those shoots involved 6-10 female models and 3-5 male models. Almost all of the models were older (mid-late 20s to mid 30s), in other words they were past their prime for magazine work and regular advertising and most were catwalk models making extra money on the side too. After about 50 sessions I'd started to loose all interest photographing the female and male form per se and like the models I just wanted to get the job done with a minimum of drama and fuss. I did find the professional detachment methods used in the press to be a real bonus at the start with the adult lingere sessions as the models in particular had no qualms about changing in the corner of the studio with everyone watching.
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