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Thread: Nudity as an art form - split from "Reflections Project Thread"

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    Clubsnap Project must move forward.

    Reflecting from the current exhibition “Naked perfection”
    at the Singapore Art Museum it seems that this forum
    has to change its mindset of barring participants with
    this notation “no nudes, sensitive and offensive stuff”.

    The message we learn from the exhibition is that
    Nakedness has long been regarded as the orgininal
    state of man: We are naked when we are born.

    It was pointed out that throughout history, nakedness
    has been linked to close contact with things natural.
    We would be ready to agree that “a philosophy would
    develop around how the condition of the human body,
    would reflect the condition of the human mind”.

    It is right time now to make changes as our nation
    begins to move into the realism and into the realm
    of art culture.

    The brochure from the Singapore Art Museum
    “Naked perfection” clearly states that:
    “In sum, these ideas come together for us to
    understanding the relationship artist had with making
    paintings, sculptures and other art depicting the
    human body”

    What’s wrong then to submit photographic images
    of nude to this forum. Your stand on “no nudes”
    images has to be amended to allow our nation to
    go forward to a new height and representation.

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    “Today, academic drawing and painting of
    the nude is still regarded as a fundamental
    skill for most artists.

    The importance of understanding the human
    figure, how it moves as it is in its natural state
    strongly influences how the fully clothed body
    is represented”

    taken from:
    Naked perfection - Singapoe Art Museum

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    Originally posted by forward
    What’s wrong then to submit photographic images
    of nude to this forum. Your stand on “no nudes”
    images has to be amended to allow our nation to
    go forward to a new height and representation.
    forward, the rule follows from ClubSnap's basic tenets for posting, esp that of sexual explicitness. it's also a guideline imposed by SBA and MITA, to safeguard against pornography (which is a BIG problem on the Internet, wouldn't you agree?)

    Taken from the SBA Internet Code of Practice...

    "Prohibited material is material that is objectionable on the grounds of public interest, public morality, public order, public security, national harmony, or is otherwise prohibited by applicable Singapore laws. In considering what is prohibited material, the following factors should be taken into account:
    - whether the material depicts nudity or genitalia in a manner calculated to titillate... (etc etc.)
    (con'td)
    - A further consideration is whether the material has intrinsic medical, scientific, artistic or educational value."

    so as you can see, the matter is beyond our control. if you have promising images to share, you'd have to seek approval from SBA first. The "Naked Reflection" exhibition also has written approval from MITA. so in other words, call me heavy-handed but the rule stands...

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    Default ....A Project for ALL.....

    Hieee...

    This CLubsnap website has its own target audiences and we stands on our decisions and rule
    abiding local media restriction etc.

    If anyone have any desire or wants or may i put it in a nicer tone, Hobby, to post images which
    contain Artistic Nudity, there are other websites available. As to correct your idea of
    Acepting Nudity as a sign of Advanced Nation than why not setup a web photography portal
    of your own and name it "Advanced Nation in Nudity".

    As an example, Photosig.com has been initalliy touted as one of the best sites for image
    posting and sharing. Too bad due to its automatic maintaninace nature, the nudity or bad
    porno like images get to survive longer as they get more hits than the others. I read in
    the Photgraphic magazine a writers comments or shoud i say warning on Parents who access
    the Photosig website.

    You wouldn't want to have you famiy and kids sitting infront of the
    computer and browse images on Nudity - I am not biasing on any party but being LOGICAL
    and NEUTRAL as much as possible.

    As Art is mostly based on personal judgement and taste,here we have a fine line drawn
    which are based on peoples judgment and we try our best not to be contraversial.

    As we want to make this Project thread for the masses, we wouldn't want to make this webportal
    avoided or barred due to just one party we are trying to impress. We have different cultures and
    peole that we respect and the decision on the abovementioned area is one of them.

    So do understand out standpoint and hopefully, you could contribute to this project in the near
    future.

    regards,
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    hi forward,

    To preserve the purity of the Projects thread, I have split this into its own thread.

    I would reiterate Larry's regurgitation of SBA rules and regulations and officially state that we are not against nudity in ClubSNAP (erm... does posting messages in ClubSNAP while only wearing my underwear count? ) provided that the nudity is within the guidelines as set by the higher authorities - most often that is interpreted as the genitalia (posterior & groin for male and female; and nipples for female) must not be visible.

    For example, an artistic nude might be a side profile clearly showing that the model is indeed buck-naked, but all the verboten areas are artistically hidden from view.

    On the other hand, clearly, an image of someone wearing a thong or g-string and showing off their entire bum may not be viewed as an artistic shot, merely to arouse/tittilate.

    Its a fantastically thin line and a very broad grey area we are treading here.

    We have not come across such posts apart from those by softlite (which are not nudes per se, but definitely pushing the envelope in view of overall ClubSNAP images) but in general, if there are images posted which show nudity, each image will have to be evaluated to see if its acceptable to be posted in a general, public forum.

    Also, coming back to the Naked Perfection exhibition, it is to my knowledge that the exhibition only has paintings, sculptures and graphic representations of nudity - but not photographs per se. One of the interviews done on this exhibition in the newspapers specifically stated that because photographic nudity was such a grey area, they did not include any in this exhibition. Now, I have not been to the exhibition, but solely based on what I read in the papers .. so if anyone has been, and can state that there are photographs there, then I stand corrected.

    If you have any images in mind that you want to post, pass them by the mods first to see if there are any objections.

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    Let me put it this way: Most of the JBP and Zoo pictures posted here are of nudes, but I see nobody objecting, because these pictures don't titillate anyone.

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    Originally posted by StreetShooter
    Let me put it this way: Most of the JBP and Zoo pictures posted here are of nudes, but I see nobody objecting, because these pictures don't titillate anyone.
    In the name of ART

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    For the purpose of discussion may I reflect what has
    been gathered at the exhibition regarding Naked Perfection.

    Thanking everyone here for the interest taken
    in this discussion and clarification.
    Sometimes it is really difficult situation for
    people to annouce what is Art and what is not.
    The exhibition is the doorstep for you to go in
    to find out.

    The introduction stimpulates the following:
    1. The human form is a form of human spirit.
    2. Represent deities, loves and the mythological figures.
    3. It is natural, a point of orgin and purity.
    4. Provides power of resilience, communication and experience.
    5. Capable of transformation
    6. Pathway to viewing Art.
    7. When used for its own sake, becomes decidedly boring.

    The exhibition went on to introduce the naked human form
    as an accepted Formal Design.

    1. Encourage us to discover it.
    2. Discover its starkly constrasting and sometimes vivid way of representation
    by the orginal artist.

    We also learn that there is the
    Allegorical Nude which the artist can project.

    1. He can invert two meanings in a given item.
    2. It can be depicted as symbolism - naked forms illustrates symbols
    and tell a story.
    3. The allegorical nude encourages to draw our own conclusion.
    4. Allow us to have the impression of contemplating or thinking.

    There is also the Nude form depicted in a Narrative aspect.

    1. In this way it is more visibly more curious.
    2. The narrative nude is intended to have a more deeper meaning.
    3. It is completely unashamed.
    4. It is often bold and mysterious figure.

    Then comes the Studio Nude:
    1. This is formally presented.
    2. Explore physical aspects.
    3. Deliberately composed form.
    4. Show movement of the human body.
    5. Might even show extremes in the contortion of the human figure.

    Next is the Suggestive Nude:
    1. This accordingingly is the most over rated concept.
    2. Suggestive and erotic.
    3. To titillate and amuse.
    4. To arouse and stir.
    5. Modelling full forms.
    6. Has flow like rich life giving rise from aerial viewpoints.

    Finally there is the Nude as Corporality and Materiality:

    1. This intensifies our physical and notional experiences.
    2. Its final form is unrecognisable.
    3. It is more provocative than plain.
    4. It is the study of mortality of an almost wounded body.
    5. This type of nude often has yoga-like ease and its meditative presence
    is sensual and attractive.
    6. Beyong heroic idealisation

    _____________________________
    How can we educated ourselves that Nakedness is perfected
    with a beauty that makes itself felt?
    The exhibition is a must go for all “frighten to lose” people
    who dare claim they know about Art.
    For folks who have been to the exhibition, kindly correct
    me if I am incorrect in any of the above facts that I pick up.


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    Originally posted by StreetShooter
    Let me put it this way: Most of the JBP and Zoo pictures posted here are of nudes, but I see nobody objecting, because these pictures don't titillate anyone.


    Hmm... so following Darren's statement, does that mean that people are allowed to post nudes so long as you can't see nipples/genitalia?

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