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    Mother Earth takes care of the BS...only a matter of time. Glad I am not an Orang (maybe I have a little more time than his kind??????????????? Million dollar question haha)
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    Therefore we should do whatever little bit we could and support those that took the initiatives to identify companies that have linked with the plantations contributing to haze.

    Hope we don't hear negative reports in our main papers about not being able to do anything.

    NTUC and the rest of the hypermarkets better start to declare their source of their products and let Singaporean know if they do care or just their pockets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikonzen View Post
    Mother Earth takes care of the BS...only a matter of time. Glad I am not an Orang (maybe I have a little more time than his kind??????????????? Million dollar question haha)

    Yup... Mother Earth will live on while the Human Race goes extinct... and in many ways, we deserved it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    Therefore we should do whatever little bit we could and support those that took the initiatives to identify companies that have linked with the plantations contributing to haze.

    Hope we don't hear negative reports in our main papers about not being able to do anything.

    NTUC and the rest of the hypermarkets better start to declare their source of their products and let Singaporean know if they do care or just their pockets.

    Sadly... its will be nothing more than symbolic... as I don't see us as a small nation, smaller than Riau, having a market that could financially threaten those companies in the long run that they'll stop their ways... I hope I'm proven wrong... but the pessimist in me think i'm correct.

    Whatever local boycott we do... hardly matters to them...

    Again....really hope that I'm wrong...

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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    Yup... Mother Earth will live on while the Human Race goes extinct... and in many ways, we deserved it...
    And we take everyone with us because that is how we are. Maybe grace in the form of an asteroid will save us as much as I hate to say that.

    I am not so sure I even hope we figure it out anymore...really bothers me but as I always say - this crap has been going on forever never changes only modernized. So I guess we all just breath deep and enjoy the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikonzen View Post
    Mother Earth takes care of the BS...only a matter of time. Glad I am not an Orang (maybe I have a little more time than his kind??????????????? Million dollar question haha)
    You ARE 'ORANG.' by the way.. Orang is just a Malay word for 'People' heh...You are not 'people'?
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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    Sadly... its will be nothing more than symbolic... as I don't see us as a small nation, smaller than Riau, having a market that could financially threaten those companies in the long run that they'll stop their ways... I hope I'm proven wrong... but the pessimist in me think i'm correct.

    Whatever local boycott we do... hardly matters to them...

    Again....really hope that I'm wrong...
    You made the most sound rationale there then most stuff I read here to try to 'pressure' them out of these annual practice that will never ever stop to be honest short of changing to another economical means of making money for the larger part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    Therefore we should do whatever little bit we could and support those that took the initiatives to identify companies that have linked with the plantations contributing to haze.

    Hope we don't hear negative reports in our main papers about not being able to do anything.

    NTUC and the rest of the hypermarkets better start to declare their source of their products and let Singaporean know if they do care or just their pockets.
    Not so simple, friend.

    Palm oil is in every food product and snacks as a small ingredient. No way can we trace the origin of palm oil. Paper products like toilet paper, tissue, printing paper.

    If really want to push these companies out of business is to eradicate palm oil out of food manufacturing cycle and wood from all paper products. This will really hurt the companies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donut88 View Post
    Not so simple, friend.

    Palm oil is in every food product and snacks as a small ingredient. No way can we trace the origin of palm oil. Paper products like toilet paper, tissue, printing paper.

    If really want to push these companies out of business is to eradicate palm oil out of food manufacturing cycle and wood from all paper products. This will really hurt the companies.
    The easy solution is to replace everything with plastics.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    The easy solution is to replace everything with plastics.

    But then you need even more oil oil...which means even nastier smog
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    The easy solution is to replace everything with plastics.
    Yeah u use plastic to wipe yr face and backside, and to print out....... Heehee

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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    You ARE 'ORANG.' by the way.. Orang is just a Malay word for 'People' heh...You are not 'people'?
    Yeah I saw that Sammy...I looked it up and realized I could get away with it! haha (and learned that it was indeed a Malay word for man/people) I was referring to the orange hairy one with long arms and to lazy to spell it out...lol
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    Why Sg no give Indo USD$60 million per year??!


    Straits Times 12 Nov 06
    S'pore among first to give to haze fund
    By Alastair McIndoe, Philippines Correspondent Cebu

    THE five Asean countries most affected by choking smoke haze from Indonesian forest fires, including Singapore, agreed yesterday to contribute to a fund to seek solutions to the problem.

    The Asean Haze Fund received an early boost when Singapore and Indonesia pledged to contribute US$50,000 (S$78,000) each. The pledges were made as ministers wrapped up a three-day meeting held to discuss environmental issues, which were dominated by the haze.

    Dr Amy Khor, Senior Parliamentary Secretary for the Ministry of the Environment and Water Resources, said the pledges show 'a commitment to kick-start the fund', adding that it will need to be capitalised with a 'significant' amount.

    Brunei, Malaysia and Thailand signed the agreement but said their contributions to the fund were subject to approval back home. Other Asean countries will contribute according to their capabilities, Philippine Environment Secretary Angelo Reyes said.

    'This is an attempt to jump-start the entire thing, and hopefully international cooperation and support would be forthcoming,' he said.

    Indonesia's Environment Minister Rachmat Witoelar said his country will need around US$60 million every year for firefighting and prevention. That amount would include the cost of infrastructure projects to irrigate highly combustible dry peatlands, a major cause of Indonesia's fires.

    At the end of the meeting, Singapore also announced it would team up with a province in Sumatra to fight haze-producing fires there.

    The move followed an agreement by Asean environment ministers on Thursday with Jakarta's proposal 'to adopt one or more fire-prone districts/regencies for enhancing capacity to deal with land and forest fires'.

    Jambi province is on the east coast of central Sumatra and it has an area more than 70 times the size of Singapore.

    A National Environment Agency spokesman said the main thrust of Singapore's involvement in Jambi will be in fire prevention. It will work with small farmers to clear land by using alternative methods to burning, and by developing early-warning systems on outbreaks, he said.

    The NEA said Jambi was chosen because it is near Singapore.

    Other countries directly affected by the cross-border air pollution are also expected to work with blaze-prone areas in Indonesia.

    Indonesia plans to hold a conference next month to bring the international donor community on board to strengthen Asean's anti-haze measures.

    The haze is seen as a global problem, not just a regional one, because of the massive emissions of greenhouse gases. Whether Asean's dialogue partners - China, Japan and South Korea - will play a role in a wider regional effort to tackle the haze remains to be seen.

    Environment ministers from those three economic powerhouses met their Asean counterparts yesterday to discuss regional cooperation on a range of green issues.

    A senior member of Asean's Secretariat said: 'We expect the 'plus three' will consider supporting this issue.' amcindoe@yahoo.com
    USD$60 million will solve the problem!


    Farmers promised incentives to stop burning forests
    The Jakarta Post, Jakarta | Jakarta | Fri, November 03 2006, 11:28 AM

    The government says it will begin offering farmers incentives to stop clearing land using fire, as part of efforts to stop the annual haze that has become a regional problem.

    Planned incentives include providing productive crop seedlings and grants to farmers, according to an official at the State Ministry for the Environment.

    ""The money will be taken from a proposed US$60 million fund to address the annual forest fire problem,"" Agus Purnomo, a special assistant on international environmental issues, told The Jakarta Post on Thursday.

    That was just one of the proposals announced during a regional workshop on Trans-Boundary Haze Pollution held in Jakarta. Attending the workshop were senior officials from Brunei Darussalam, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand.

    Indonesia is under pressure to deal with the haze, with neighboring countries criticizing Jakarta for its lack of action on the issue. An earlier meeting of environment ministers from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) was held in Riau to discuss the issue.

    Jakarta has yet to pass into law a regional agreement on trans-boundary pollution, which would help speed up assistance from neighboring countries in fighting fires in Indonesian territory.

    The proposals from the workshop will be submitted for endorsement at the ASEAN Ministerial Meeting on the Environment in Cebu, the Philippines, on Nov. 9-10.

    Indonesia proposed 80 programs to reduce forest fires, including setting up early warning systems in fire-prone areas and strengthening the country's capability to fight forest fires.

    Jakarta has long blamed forest fires on land clearance activities by farmers and plantation companies. In response, it has banned the planting of crops on burned land.

    ""Imposing a kind of status quo on burned land has been effective in reducing forests fire,"" State Minister for the Environment Rachmat Witoelar told the Post.

    The workshop also discussed the establishment of a ministerial steering committee comprising environment ministers from Brunei, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore and Thailand.

    The committee would monitor haze problems and set up a hotline for the exchange of information in the event of forest fires.

    ""We must be creative in devising preventive actions. Putting people in jail for carrying matches and kerosene may be one method, but we have to look beyond such measures to be more effective,"" Rachmat said.

    - See more at: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2....r8kmdIjL.dpuf

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    Old petro dollar at work it looks like...disgusting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchRival View Post
    Why Sg no give Indo USD$60 million per year??!



    USD$60 million will solve the problem!

    $60 Million YEARLY hor... that's the Magic word...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikonzen View Post
    Yeah I saw that Sammy...I looked it up and realized I could get away with it! haha (and learned that it was indeed a Malay word for man/people) I was referring to the orange hairy one with long arms and to lazy to spell it out...lol

    That's ape's malay name is Orang Hutan or Orangutan as you would spell it your way... 'Man of the forest"
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    Hutan ~ the Forest I presume...how ironic...or iconic...maybe even demonic

    Dr. Livingstone what have you done???



    Note...thanks Sammy...I will never spell that word wrong ever again
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    PSI seems to have gone down after Najip voiced his concern ............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenten View Post
    PSI seems to have gone down after Najip voiced his concern ............

    You mean hot air from Najip has change the wind direction...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nikonzen View Post
    Hutan ~ the Forest I presume...how ironic...or iconic...maybe even demonic

    Dr. Livingstone what have you done???



    Note...thanks Sammy...I will never spell that word wrong ever again

    Nah it is correct the way you spell it.. that is how the west would spell it and have that in the dictionary. In Malay Oranghutan = People Forest
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