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    Quote Originally Posted by wiki
    I really agree with student over here. I am really surprise why some photographers took things so seriously? Someone just request for the photos and perhaps there are amateur photographer who have took the pictures and are willing to give it free so be it. If you think your photographers are really good and only want to sell it, it is fine also.

    What's the big deal in asking for free stuff? Perhaps the person who request the photos just want some simple shots of the event. I really admire photographers in here who are kind to share their tips and techniques without just keep talking about $$. I am fine with those who are offering services only by paying but do not complicate such a simple request.
    if your livelihood depends on the stuff which people assume can be given "free", then you'll understand.
    Why should people bother paying event photographers then? After all, it's just simple shots of an event.

    Next time I am going to walk to Breadtalk and ask for free bread just because it's so cheap and simple to make bread.

    It may be a simple request for pictures but it is also a sign of the person's lack of knowledge to come to a forum and ask for free pictures, when pictures ARE worth money and by giving them away to a stranger you are undermining the value of photos on the market in general.

    At least have the decency to offer something as a barter or a payment if you want something.

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    Why do people still buy original LV when fake "almost" looks like the real thing. Why do people buy Levi's when there are $10 unbranded jeans. Why buy Sony when Samsung is cheap and nice? I think it still depends on the photographer and the perceived quality of his photos whether these free or cheap stuff will affect him or not. Anyway, the request is for "any" photos intended as a souvenir... I'm quite surprised the thread has so many twist and turn that will make desperate housewives proud. My favorite part is when someone thought she is a 40yo pervert dressed as a 15yo girl. Honestly I'm not sure anymore but if its true, kudos to the makeup artist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    if your livelihood depends on the stuff which people assume can be given "free", then you'll understand.
    Why should people bother paying event photographers then? After all, it's just simple shots of an event.

    Next time I am going to walk to Breadtalk and ask for free bread just because it's so cheap and simple to make bread.

    It may be a simple request for pictures but it is also a sign of the person's lack of knowledge to come to a forum and ask for free pictures, when pictures ARE worth money and by giving them away to a stranger you are undermining the value of photos on the market in general.

    At least have the decency to offer something as a barter or a payment if you want something.
    I admit that I am not a professional photographer and my livelihood do not depend on selling photographs. And I do understand that a professional do have to recoup his investments etc.

    I am a professional in my own work, and I do get paid for giving my sevices. But even to a highly trained professional like me (believe me that I had spent a lot more in time and money to get to where I am. Much much more than a photographer), what is an occasional free advice and service?

    PLEASE! Put things in perspective.

    If you are engaged professionally to cover this event, then you are doing a professional job with all its inherent legal moral and professional duties. And I can understand you jealously guarding the photographs taken in this context.

    But how many people who posted these images were there as professionals? These images were made by people who were there for "fun".

    Can you tell the difference? Or have you been blinded by too much flashlights!
    Last edited by student; 13th October 2005 at 02:18 PM.

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    Let me try to shed more light on your recent explanation:

    In order for a work to qualify as an artistic work, it must first be reduced into material form. Hence, a model's pose, is not an artistic work as it is not reduced to material form. Taking a photograph of the model's pose would be an artistic work as it has been reduced to material form.

    Hence, a model's pose alone does NOT subsume under (c) of the definition of "artistic work" in s7.

    Next, I reiterate that the definition of "recording" for the purposes of s252(1)(a) is ONLY sound recordings. You have misinterpreted the applicability of s15 as that relates only to reproduction of literary, artistic and works. You are talking about a performance, not a work (this is assuming of course that the beauty contest is even a performance, which as I have said earlier, suspect).

    The correct definition of recording that you should be using is in interpretation section 246 which you have quoted earlier. See definitino of "recording" and "sound recording' in that section. This is the interpretation section that you should be using for definitions in all sections under Part XII.

    As for the final bit on "sufficient acknowledgement", I'm not sure where this obligation comes from, but in view of what I said above, this should no longer be relevant unless you would like to differ.

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    I do understand that for some people, their livelihood depends on it. And of course i do understand that your pictures are better, etc. But if someone request for something for free, and other people is willing to give it for free (even though a very amateur attempt) isn't that ok? Furthermore if in the first place, the person requesting it is not going to pay, nobody is making a loss due to someone giving for free.

    For me i am a software developer, sometime i also need tips and code for certain information. I post and most of the time people are willing to share. As a developer i too help by sharing what i know. It ins't always the situation where you must say no $$ no code. It all depends on situation and for this situation i don't think the requestor has done anything inappropriate. Imagine a newbie posting a photo asking for comment and everyone wants to charge "consultancy" fee??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phildate
    To Student: In an open and interesting discussion, your post seems an overtly personal attack on me to the point that I find it offensive. You have no right to judge me as an individual based on my views on this particular subject.
    I hope you are able to tell the difference on judging you versus judging your view.

    I said clearly that "thankfully, I am not you". Because "you", as reflected in your statements, say that nothing should be given away free.

    And if that is the case, I am glad that I am not "you", because that viewpoint just do not agree with me.

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    Hmmm... what about the press or a photojournalist??? They cover the event and then they publish it in newspaper for commercial value..... sometimes the shot may not even be a pleasing shot.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by student
    I am a professional in my own work, and I do get paid for giving my sevices. But even to a higly trained professional like me (believe me that I had spent a lot more in time and money to get to where I am. Much much more than a photographer), what is an occasional free advice and service?
    Everytime I see a doc I'll get billed. Never once I get a "free" advice and service.

    The only free medical advice I'll get if I post my medical problem in CS. We have several house-trained docs here.

    I'm sure Mattlock is not blinded by too much flashlights. He is deaftened by the cacophony for "Free Photos! Free Photos!".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zplus
    Hmmm... what about the press or a photojournalist??? They cover the event and then they publish it in newspaper for commercial value..... sometimes the shot may not even be a pleasing shot.....
    Don't the photos belong to the company they work for? Maybe they can keep for their own but can't sell to anyone else?

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    Agreed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    I'm sure Mattlock is not blinded by too much flashlights. He is deaftend by the cacophony for "Free Photos! Free Photos!".

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    Everytime I see a doc I'll get billed. Never once I get a "free" advice and service.

    The only free medical advice I'll get if I post my medical problem in CS. We have several house-trained docs here.

    I'm sure Mattlock is not blinded by too much flashlights. He is deaftend by the cacophony for "Free Photos! Free Photos!".
    Sorry lah!

    You met the wrong types! Like wrong types of photographers! Or photographers with wrong attitudes?

    BTW, a lot of "free medical advice" given in CS ended up making my little toes laugh! Thankfully, they were on unimportant issues!

    Oh, "house-trained" = trained by CS?

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    There are lots of "advice" given here which ends up making the toes of specialists in that particular area laugh actually, not just medical :P

    Quote Originally Posted by student
    BTW, a lot of "free medical advice" given in CS ended up making my little
    toes laugh! Thankfully, they were on unimportant issues!

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    "Free photos! Free photos!"

    Hmm, does not sound like cacophony to me.

    Sounds very simple, direct, and uncomplicated - unless of course one is afflicted with some wierd hearing problems!
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    the very 1st post.. which seemed so innocent to me..

    Quote Originally Posted by wenPLUSam
    hii
    i m helping my friend sophie(yes the winner)
    she is my schmate
    if u haf her pics
    can u pls send it to her?
    pm me if u haf alrights?
    thanks!!

    amelia
    i only view it as a request.
    i guess wenPLUSam is only asking on behalf of Sophie, just by any chance any photographer was there to take any pics of Sophie. of course if the photographer(s) who happens to have the pics, it's up to him or her or them to charge or give to Sophie ... most likely the copies right?

    there're so many.. issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by student
    "Free photos! Free photos!"

    Hmm, does not sound like cacophony to me.

    Sounds very simple, direct, and uncomplicated - unless of course one is afflicted with some wierd hearing problems!
    Now that reflects your overseas specialist training. You could even diagnose on the net.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    Now that reflects your overseas specialist training. You could even diagnose on the net.
    Oui!

    Don't insult our "in-house" training leh!

    We only go overseas to show how good we are !

    And maybe to learn the not so important things

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    Quote Originally Posted by student
    Oui!

    Don't insult our "in-house" training leh!

    We only go overseas to show how good we are !

    And maybe to learn the not so important things
    For importantly for you: to take photos of the cold country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion
    For importantly for you: to take photos of the cold country.
    Ya Ya! Now that you mentioned it, damn cold!

    6.00 am Late Autumn in Mono lake. Took me 10 minutes to screw in the cable! Fingers almost droped off!


    But I prefer to take photos of hot bodies!

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    Quote Originally Posted by wiki

    For me i am a software developer, sometime i also need tips and code for certain information. I post and most of the time people are willing to share. As a developer i too help by sharing what i know. It ins't always the situation where you must say no $$ no code. It all depends on situation and for this situation i don't think the requestor has done anything inappropriate. Imagine a newbie posting a photo asking for comment and everyone wants to charge "consultancy" fee??
    hi wiki, I do advocate the sharing of information, but the analogy you used is abit different. Developers helping developers is common, I help fellow photographers willingly too as I believe in the sharing of information among fellow photographers.
    I'm sure you're not going to be giving free software to any tom dick or harry on the street, neither am I going to give my photos to any tom dick or harry on the street.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furrycake
    the very 1st post.. which seemed so innocent to me..



    i only view it as a request.
    i guess wenPLUSam is only asking on behalf of Sophie, just by any chance any photographer was there to take any pics of Sophie. of course if the photographer(s) who happens to have the pics, it's up to him or her or them to charge or give to Sophie ... most likely the copies right?

    there're so many.. issues.
    yah lah... juz like some photography competition wif so called "unfair" rules... sure will become "lively" one
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