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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    do you still think it is feasible?
    It would be. But that requires a complete rethinking of public / private transport strategies and a change in direction towards environment friendly transport technologies. Not impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    It would be. But that requires a complete rethinking of public / private transport strategies and a change in direction towards environment friendly transport technologies. Not impossible.
    these electric scooters has some limitations, their average travelling speed is faster than bicycle speed but slower than car speed, they are not suitable to use on major roads and also on bicycle tracks, and definitely not safe to allow them to use pedestrian walkway too, so if build a special passage for such commuters, how many people willing to switch this transportation mode?
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    Default Re: Trying out Vespa/Scooter

    look at the price of one of this bike,

    http://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s/order.php

    Although LTA is giving some incentive on electric motorcycle,

    http://www.lta.gov.sg/content/ltaweb...-scooters.html

    adding the consideration of saving on petrol, it is still not able to encourage riders to switch to electric motorcycle yet.





    and btw, how do you charge your electric motorcycle if you are staying in HDB flat? would you like to carry a 36kg battery up to your house to charge for every two days? or your boss allow you to charge the battery in the office?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post

    these electric scooters has some limitations, their average travelling speed is faster than bicycle speed but slower than car speed, they are not suitable to use on major roads and also on bicycle tracks, and definitely not safe to allow them to use pedestrian walkway too, so if build a special passage for such commuters, how many people willing to switch this transportation mode?
    Our legal speed is low and highway is considered slow. We are not US or Germany or China.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nuts View Post
    I think the picture u show below is need license.......
    Singapore law is, if you need to pedal to accelerate, the electric motor only sustain the constant speed, then it is legal and you do not need a license for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    This type apparently no need license, no need safety gear, no need COE, and can ride anywhere - since it is just a bicycle.
    Depends lah, can't tell 'type' from a photo. You need to go up close to see if it has a LTA seal?
    Under the current framework, LTA-approved ones have to comply with certain requirements, like dd123 mentioned.
    Others (where the riders are clearly keeping up with other road users at 40-50km/h ) are illegal.

    In 2014, 1,042 summons were issued by LTA against those who used or sold motorised bicycles that did not meet the authority's technical requirements. That is up from 978 the previous year.

    Currently, only LTA-approved motorised bicycles are allowed on the roads. Under the regulations, the maximum power output of the motorised bicycle must not exceed 200 watts. Also motor power of the motorised bicycle must be cut off when it reaches 25km/hr.

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/...g/1708564.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Singapore law is, if you need to pedal to accelerate, the electric motor only sustain the constant speed, then it is legal and you do not need a license for it.
    Thanks for this bit of info!

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    Default Re: Trying out Vespa/Scooter

    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    these electric scooters has some limitations, their average travelling speed is faster than bicycle speed but slower than car speed, they are not suitable to use on major roads and also on bicycle tracks, and definitely not safe to allow them to use pedestrian walkway too, so if build a special passage for such commuters, how many people willing to switch this transportation mode?
    I think many will consider this if the frame conditions are attractive. Other countries show how bicycle traffic can be given priority over cars and how people accept these regulations. Electrical bikes could be treated the same way. As mentioned, it is not impossible but needs creativity, the will to change and maybe a petrol price of about $4
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    I have not tried one but surely seen them on the streets in China. They aren't slow and definitely faster than many bikes here!��

    Anyway how fast are we going if our limit is 90km max? The emission from patrol by bikes are bad. For elect car, it is still a long way to go. Till they solve the air con problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    I think many will consider this if the frame conditions are attractive. Other countries show how bicycle traffic can be given priority over cars and how people accept these regulations. Electrical bikes could be treated the same way. As mentioned, it is not impossible but needs creativity, the will to change and maybe a petrol price of about $4
    these riders don't need a valid driving licence to use such electrical bikes/scooter, so they don't have to abide to traffic rules, there is no way to regulate them effectively, and it will simply pose a threat to other road users.

    the more feasible way is to have a delicate passage for manual and electrical bicycles/scooters. So here comes an interesting question, who should be paying the money to build and maintain this network?

    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    I have not tried one but surely seen them on the streets in China. They aren't slow and definitely faster than many bikes here!��

    Anyway how fast are we going if our limit is 90km max? The emission from patrol by bikes are bad. For elect car, it is still a long way to go. Till they solve the air con problem.
    if you ride a bike before, you will know that a large bike is much safer to travel at a higher speed than a small bike.

    you won't want these electrical bikes using the expressway and travelling beside your car.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    ............................ For elect car, it is still a long way to go. Till they solve the air con problem.
    btw, here is a simple solution to this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    these riders don't need a valid driving licence to use such electrical bikes/scooter, so they don't have to abide to traffic rules, there is no way to regulate them effectively, and it will simply pose a threat to other road users.
    I cannot agree here. Everyone participating in public traffic have to abide the rules, regardless whether in bicycle or in a car. The current rules for bicycles and motorbikes are clear, they just need to be enforced. The rules for electrical bikes could be: up to 25km/h max speed it is considered a bicycle and no extra regulation is required. Above 25km/h is considered a small motorbike. Now it's the question for the lawmakers whether economically friendly transport options shall be encouraged and what would be the resulting benefits (e.g. lower or no COE for e-bikes faster than 25km/h).

    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    the more feasible way is to have a delicate passage for manual and electrical bicycles/scooters. So here comes an interesting question, who should be paying the money to build and maintain this network?
    Well, LTA is in charge of all roads, it would fall into their portfolio as well - provided that there is a clear interest in providing such a network of bicycle lanes. A great example here are the Netherlands with bicycle lanes the same width or wider than car lanes. For Singapore, it needs clear strategy and a political will to go this way, although it means spending money without fast returns. The returns are quality of life and an attractive city.

    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    you won't want these electrical bikes using the expressway and travelling beside your car.
    That goes without saying and it is also forbidden in those countries where e-bikes are already common.
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    Default Re: Trying out Vespa/Scooter

    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    I have not tried one but surely seen them on the streets in China. They aren't slow and definitely faster than many bikes here!��

    Anyway how fast are we going if our limit is 90km max? The emission from patrol by bikes are bad. For elect car, it is still a long way to go. Till they solve the air con problem.
    The fastest strongest electric bikes in China now is around 55 km/h. I have been researching coz I am thinking of getting one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post

    The fastest strongest electric bikes in China now is around 55 km/h. I have been researching coz I am thinking of getting one.

    You wan to buy?

    Look here. $1200
    https://carousell.com/p/15086555

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