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    Default Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    Sometimes i wonder, why newbies models, be it ladies or young guys, wanna charge $$$ for a shoot???

    Pretty or handsome doesn't make she/him a good model. Experience more important.
    So what she is pretty, cannot perform means cannot perform.
    Eat breath LIVERPOOL!!!

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    Default Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    This has been posted many times liao la...

    Quite controversial... bottom line is, if you're not willing to pay, there are always other people who ARE willing to pay, so....

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    Default Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    To pay is fine with me but why are some fresh model charging $120/3hrs ? better than average joe's pay liao lor ..

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    Default Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    who ask you to pay in the 1st place. nobody force you

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfman
    Sometimes i wonder, why newbies models, be it ladies or young guys, wanna charge $$$ for a shoot???

    Pretty or handsome doesn't make she/him a good model. Experience more important.
    So what she is pretty, cannot perform means cannot perform.
    Don't pay lor. Similar, why should others pay for you to take photographs? In any light, even if the models are newbies, why should they make their time to let you take photos for free?

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    That's when there's something call TFP for newbies. (Both photographers and models)

    As for me, there's no way I'm gonna pay a model plus teach and guide her how-to-pose?!
    Crazy! Real professional models should be able to execute what the photographer wants and they should deserved to be paid.

    Newbies=TFP. Simple as that.

    Just my view on this,

    Jon

    PS: I don't shoot models for a living.

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    Lightbulb Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    maybe, we could consider a rating system for so-called 'models'?

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    Do u pay the fare if the taxi driver is newbie?
    Do u pay the meal if the chef is newbie?
    Do u pay the tution if the tutor is newbie?

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    Default Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    Depends on the model. While training and experience count for a lot, especially in a commercial shoot where time and performance is of the essence, the fact is that there are not many truly beautiful/photogenic people around. Don't forget, many Playboy, Penthouse etc models are picked off of the street. So you are paying for something that cannot be learned or duplicated.

    Working with an amature can be interesting. They are often more willing to take instruction and do not fall back into "standard" poses that they learned from someone else.

    If, on the other hand the model (male or female) is only average looking, then the question is why you as a photographer are considering shooting the model (as opposed to any other model) in the first place.

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    Goodness. Not again.

    Its like telling a newbie doing his first AD Wedding shoot to do it for free cos 'he lacks the experience and needs OUR HELP to gain experience'.

    I dun think anyone likes that.

    As far as I'm concerned. Doing ridiculously low budget AD Weddings (we're looking at $200 for whole day plus raw material cost) or even FOC jobs (where u have to fork out on ur own for raw material!) in the name of 'gaining experience' is a whole lot of bollocks.
    "Wonders of the Human Mind. Unfathomable to the highest degree."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astin
    Do u pay the fare if the taxi driver is newbie?
    Do u pay the meal if the chef is newbie?
    Do u pay the tution if the tutor is newbie?
    I will pay the taxi driver because he has been through some formal qualification that allows him to have a taxi and because he has obvious overheads.

    I will pay for the meal because I have faith that the restaurant will only employ capable, well-qualified staff and if they are inexperienced, will be supervised by a trained professional.

    If I was after the tuition services of a tutor, I would ask for years of experience, some sort of reference/and or formal qualification.


    Pretty girls calling themselves models?? Well, it annoys me to see those posts on Clubsnap, a forum for photographers. They should post on OneModelPlace or similar, with a list of their fees and see how little work they get. I am sure I was flamed for posting something similar on Render's post but I would like to think I am standing up for the photographers here. Why should we be taken advantage of? This has been said so much and yet people still try and take advantage.

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    Lightbulb Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    unfortunately, there are some here who will continue to pay for the services of such 'models'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Phildate
    I will pay the taxi driver because he has been through some formal qualification that allows him to have a taxi and because he has obvious overheads.

    I will pay for the meal because I have faith that the restaurant will only employ capable, well-qualified staff and if they are inexperienced, will be supervised by a trained professional.

    If I was after the tuition services of a tutor, I would ask for years of experience, some sort of reference/and or formal qualification.


    Pretty girls calling themselves models?? Well, it annoys me to see those posts on Clubsnap, a forum for photographers. They should post on OneModelPlace or similar, with a list of their fees and see how little work they get. I am sure I was flamed for posting something similar on Render's post but I would like to think I am standing up for the photographers here. Why should we be taken advantage of? This has been said so much and yet people still try and take advantage.

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    I can't understand the pretty ladies though.........
    Eat breath LIVERPOOL!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Astin
    Do u pay the fare if the taxi driver is newbie?
    Do u pay the meal if the chef is newbie?
    Do u pay the tution if the tutor is newbie?
    Sorry but don't see the link between the above mentioned to a model who is new to the industry.

    Each field requires their own specialties and standard.


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    Default Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    Are u paying the model?
    Are u paying the organizer?
    Are u paying the model who double as the organizer?
    Are u paying the model who happens to be the organizer?
    Are u paying the organizer who happens to be the model?

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    Default Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    simple : why should they let you take their pics?

    dont pay and dont take pics, period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by furrycake
    simple : why should they let you take their pics?

    dont pay and dont take pics, period.
    becasue they want experience, portpoli and a book to show others. SIMPLE!

    the rule of this world as I see it, newbie model offer TFP to get the experience and portfolio she needs (no slight against male models, but since I don't shoot them...),
    newbie photograpers pay to shoot, same reason. While experience model should charge, and only experience photog should do TFP (this one is my pet peeve).

    If the photographer is a newbie, you have nothing to offer to the model, why should she give you the TFP opportunity???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadpoet
    becasue they want experience, portpoli and a book to show others. SIMPLE!

    the rule of this world as I see it, newbie model offer TFP to get the experience and portfolio she needs (no slight against male models, but since I don't shoot them...),
    newbie photograpers pay to shoot, same reason. While experience model should charge, and only experience photog should do TFP (this one is my pet peeve).

    If the photographer is a newbie, you have nothing to offer to the model, why should she give you the TFP opportunity???
    TOTALLY AGREE ON THIS MAN!

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    Default Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    Quote Originally Posted by furrycake
    simple : why should they let you take their pics?

    dont pay and dont take pics, period.


    answer.

    Case closed.

    Can close thread liao.

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    Default Re: Why should i pay when models are newbies???

    Quote Originally Posted by Astin
    Do u pay the fare if the taxi driver is newbie?
    Do u pay the meal if the chef is newbie?
    Do u pay the tution if the tutor is newbie?
    Would you pay an assistant if he/she needs you to instruct him/her every step of the way?
    push a bit move a bit

    the "model" has to at least know how to pose for the camera

    but why do CSers need to pay these so called "models" to take their pictures?
    Don't you people have friends? who are girls?

    When I was young, i just ask my friends and we go out for a shoot
    I will select the best prints and give it to them.

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