Guys. That is enough. If you are not happy with TS or his reactions, you can simply ignore the thread and move on. No need to get riled up. Grow up please and go out and shoot more or have a coffee, or whatever.
This is newbie's corner and the rule on newbie's corner is very clear and strict on bullying.
For those who gave genuine advice, thank you. Please do not feel that your advice is falling on deaf ears. Many will be reading, and you never know, some folks might stumble in via a text search and learn something. That is the beauty of a forum.
Last edited by daredevil123; 17th November 2014 at 10:37 AM.
BTW TS.... answering your question in the title... yes it is possible. But you need to understand the basics of photography well enough, so that you know exactly what to do to get the best possible shot with the light you are given.
Shot handheld with a Nikon V1 camera (which many says are not that good). Would I use the tripod if I have the chance? Sure I will. I had 5 mins to get off the bus, run into the firled, shoot this scene and return. So decided to do it without a tripod. Is it possible? Yes.
Shot handheld with a Nikon V1 camera (which many says are not that good)
Shot handheld with a mobile phone.
Last edited by daredevil123; 17th November 2014 at 10:26 AM.
1. Yes, when you increase the ISO, you'll introduce more noise / grain into your picture. This is physics.
2. Yes, you can use software to reduce the noise / grain. But only to a certain extend, after which you start to lose details. How far you can go really depend on your standard of a clean yet usable image.
3. On better lens: not sure what you mean with better, but yes, to get the same exposure with same shutter speed, lenses with fast / bigger aperture (say f1.4 or f1.2) will allow you to use lower ISO compared with slower lenses (say f5.6). And no, lens does not directly reduce noise / grain.
Other than that, the triangle rule of ISO, shutter speed, and aperture (plus depth of field) still applies. Use them according to your need, know the limit, and use tripod if you want/need to.
I think in terms of harshness, it would not be difficult to find some of your previous posts in Newbies Corner that are equally harsh, if not more harsh.
The only explanation I can find is that you looked at the original post, not the edited post. In which case, sure, I agree that the original post was a bit too much, which is why I edited it.
Apparently, your modified post that still has H1-sized words "A TRIPOD" is considered (not shouting but) screaming on a thread that initially asked for advice *without a tripod*.
For me, although the general tone of the modified post is not that *screaming* but the <H1>A TRIPOD</H1> is indeed a big red flag for trolling.
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I just thought of something brilliant!
You could get a night vision camera...LOL
Lighten up folks it is just a camera forum...let's move on...yes shooting good images in low light has been the bane of camera folks forever...think about what those poor b-stards with their old box cameras had to go through to get the shot with their super slow film and lenses even in daylight! No tripod was not an option in those days.
Next question please...
Last edited by Nikonzen; 17th November 2014 at 12:23 PM.
while i understand that i may be served a warning or banned, i find it particularly disturbing that you will drop in to ban people or serve warnings without fully understanding the situation. i think what this forum needs is libertarian paternalism, not north korean style dictatorship, and possibly more people given shared power in case it is abused.
You could put your camera on a stable surface and prop it up with something to get the right angle. I used to do this sometimes. Worked well.
Or you could get a handy small tripod like this that can be attached to a pole or small tree.
Yes, North Korea keeps order with a strict regime, but in this day, is such a system still relevant?
And judging by your join date, I guess you've missed out a lot on what Soulblade88 has been posting on ClubSnap over the past few months.
Hopefully I won't be served warning points for contributing my opinion.
and, as the mod suggested, TS should be the one that should "go out and shoot more" to learn, and not asking questions to get theoretical answers
Oh trust me sir this forum is most definitely not my first horse race and despite what you think there are some pretty Nazi like photography forums in the world...this one is TAME and respectful...LOL
Quite the contrary, I have read every one of his posts, and I call them how I see them...refer to statement in above post...
Look I'm not trying to get into a pissing match with anyone I'm just saying have a little heart and try to understand why the man does what he does...he is trying to learn...give the man a break you were probably at this stage once too maybe you just didn't need to have things spelled out to you several times before it sank in. I would also give you advice on Albert too but then that would probably be pretentious on my part.
Last edited by Nikonzen; 17th November 2014 at 01:06 PM.
Let us cut all the argument. A mod had made his decision, and thats it. It is not about protecting, helping or habouring someone. It is about having some order in a forum.
Again. If you cannot or would not help someone, find someone irritating or think that someone is wasting your time, then ignore that someone and move along, rather than insulting him/her, shouting at him/her or generally being rude. We work hard to keep this forum a courteous and polite place to go. Everyone had the right to ask question.
And I believe most of us have already given our share of opinions and whether TS acknowledge what was adviced to him or not. Let us all move on.
Actually, the problem is solvable.
We just need to take up the proper course.
After that... wow! .... invincible...
1 min shutter speed is also possible.
Just need to learn this....
TS, seriously, look at what is being used by the US Army in Afghanistan, Iraq, etc during night ops.
Just all noisy green picts from the NVD.
Thats the reality of what is possible even when money is no object.
So its a long way to go (if ever) for hand held very low light shots with the quality of ISO100.
There is also that photo stacking NR function that the Sony (probably on other cams as well) has.
Maybe you want to give that a shot too.
In the end, need to lower expectations, find the best hand holdable setting and brace, and/or use a tripod.
We have time and time again reminded CSers in the past on doing this. CSers have been deregistered in the past for this.
Please read the standing order in Newbie's Corner. http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1091136
If you are unhappy with TS for his questions, you can simply ignore and move on. No need to be condescending nor rude in your posts. And you sent us a report post, asking us to infract TS for posting this question. We find no fault with TS asking these questions, even though he might not like the answers. Every one learns at their own pace and style. The moment TS posts in Newbie's Corner, he is accorded the same treatment and protection as stated in the link shown above. But senior members lashing out at Newbies in Newbie's Corner is NOT acceptable.
Warning stands and don't try it again in the future.
Last edited by daredevil123; 17th November 2014 at 02:50 PM.
Newbie corner has a very strict policy. Please read the sticky. By giving out Guideline reminders, we are already very lenient, as the actions can warrant a direct major infraction.
Rules are there for a reason. To keep order in the forum. And most folks here do not understand the amount of BS the mod community have to go through and take care of everyday. All most members see is the smooth flowing of the forum and the events organized. Not many will truly appreciate the hard work that goes into making this a better place. Many times we have to make tough decisions. Some folk's ego will be hurt. But sorry, we have to do what needs to be done. If you have a problem with that, please take it up with the Admins.
BTW, ClubSNAP is not a democracy. It is owned by the Admins, like it or not. If you want to participate here, you have to follow the house rules. All we mods do is just enforce the rules. Like it or not. If you feel the rule is not just, please take it up with the Admins.
Last edited by daredevil123; 17th November 2014 at 03:19 PM.