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    Thoughts anyone?

    I think it is OK to get creative to send a message to someone who deserves certain just desserts, but it is not OK to get criminal.


    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/sim-lim-case-citizen/1458478.html

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    Well he is reaping what he had sown. Now he knows how it feels to be at
    the receiving end period.
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    Its equally deplorable for the authorities to do nothing about it

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    To all those who say we should let the law take its course, esp consumer laws, they have done nothing to protect the unsuspecting consumers. These laws have no bite at all.

    I find it a little amusing that the CASE chairman is still continuing with his talk on letting the law take its course. In the meantime these hooligans would've scammed another few hundred tourists and foreigners who dont know better.

    Every dollar STB spends on promoting Singapore, CASE wastes it by being toothless and engaging in a massive wayang exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richiemccaw1 View Post
    To all those who say we should let the law take its course, esp consumer laws, they have done nothing to protect the unsuspecting consumers. These laws have no bite at all.

    I find it a little amusing that the CASE chairman is still continuing with his talk on letting the law take its course. In the meantime these hooligans would've scammed another few hundred tourists and foreigners who dont know better.

    Every dollar STB spends on promoting Singapore, CASE wastes it by being toothless and engaging in a massive wayang exercise.
    At least CASE is helping by increasing employment number and spending tax dollars

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwanhan View Post
    Thoughts anyone?

    I think it is OK to get creative to send a message to someone who deserves certain just desserts, but it is not OK to get criminal.


    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/sim-lim-case-citizen/1458478.html
    i guess throwing 1000 dollar coins on the floor and asking consumers to pick up in front of them is uncriminal in today's law. Shouldn't he be charged for crimes against the Currency Act by throwing money? What was the police woman who watched the whole incident doing? Crowd control? I guess we still do not have a Humiliation ACT where people can fall back on.
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    http://www.straitstimes.com/news/sin...-square-manage


    definitely not ok to get criminal with people like these. Should just give a warning on paper.

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    Laws that uphold justice against such acts (when businesses cheat unsuspecting customers) need to be carefully thought out and debated.

    Most are calling for a law to demand closure of business. But this law will have far reaching effects and can be used against just about any firm.

    Such laws might reduce Singapore to the pitiful state that the US is in, where individuals can sue companies and businesses in frivolous lawsuits.

    It's not a matter of "cannot implement" but legislation needs to be debated and carefully scrutinized to prevent abuse

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    The law is inadequate. Period.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    The law is inadequate. Period.
    Completely agree on this.

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    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/manpower-m...041029342.html

    It is indeed shocking to see a shocked minister.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/manpower-m...041029342.html

    It is indeed shocking to see a shocked minister.
    It is appalling that he is merely shocked.

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    Then again, it's understandable why he's shocked.

    Ivory Tower is very far away from Sim Lim Square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/manpower-m...041029342.html

    It is indeed shocking to see a shocked minister.
    The grammar and punctuation are both poorly used in this article. You can tell by a glance it's meant to ridicule the minister.

    By the way, anyone would have beem shocked by their behavior, not just a minister. Unless you face someone dumping a bag of coins at your feet every day and filming you crying

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    but then, he's not just "anyone" isn't he?

    A one in a million cherry-picked scholar turned hardened general turned..... nevermind. Let's hope he is shocked into taking some action for the people. So far, we've only seen people's action though(no pun intended).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    but then, he's not just "anyone" isn't he?

    A one in a million cherry-picked scholar turned hardened general turned..... nevermind. Let's hope he is shocked into taking some action for the people. So far, we've only seen people's action though(no pun intended).
    that he's not just "anyone" and that he's a "scholar-general-minister"... what's your point exactly? he's still human just like the rest of us. unless you mean to say that as an elite of Singapore, he's oblivious to what happens at Sim Lim?

    please, even if i knew about their bad behavior i wouldn't have expected that they would do such things. and i'm just a small fry in society.

    and as for the "pay back" given to the owner of the shop, it was the justice of the people... but to harass him and his wife, reveal his address, threaten his whole family, and so on and so forth... i would say that the people behind that fictitious facebook page went a step too far. this time, a lack of provision of the law allowed this to happen. but to bully others, you're just telling everyone else what a bigger bully you are. what more with the attitude of "i don't care. they won't dare to arrest me" by the page admins. i find it very childish and immature. they've got guts though, you've gotta give it to them. but still, what they did is just the stepping stones to social anarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    please, even if i knew about their bad behavior i wouldn't have expected that they would do such things. and i'm just a small fry in society.
    You need to get out more often then.

    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    and as for the "pay back" given to the owner of the shop, it was the justice of the people... but to harass him and his wife, reveal his address, threaten his whole family, and so on and so forth... i would say that the people behind that fictitious facebook page went a step too far. this time, a lack of provision of the law allowed this to happen. but to bully others, you're just telling everyone else what a bigger bully you are. what more with the attitude of "i don't care. they won't dare to arrest me" by the page admins. i find it very childish and immature. they've got guts though, you've gotta give it to them. but still, what they did is just the stepping stones to social anarchy.
    That shop has remained closed for almost a week. The signal was loud and clear. D espite 25 known complaints, who was able to do put him out of business prior? No one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    https://sg.news.yahoo.com/manpower-m...041029342.html

    It is indeed shocking to see a shocked minister.
    A normal response.

    Remember the last time we had shocked ministers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    that he's not just "anyone" and that he's a "scholar-general-minister"... what's your point exactly? he's still human just like the rest of us. unless you mean to say that as an elite of Singapore, he's oblivious to what happens at Sim Lim?

    please, even if i knew about their bad behavior i wouldn't have expected that they would do such things. and i'm just a small fry in society.

    and as for the "pay back" given to the owner of the shop, it was the justice of the people... but to harass him and his wife, reveal his address, threaten his whole family, and so on and so forth... i would say that the people behind that fictitious facebook page went a step too far. this time, a lack of provision of the law allowed this to happen. but to bully others, you're just telling everyone else what a bigger bully you are. what more with the attitude of "i don't care. they won't dare to arrest me" by the page admins. i find it very childish and immature. they've got guts though, you've gotta give it to them. but still, what they did is just the stepping stones to social anarchy.
    when did they threaten his whole family?
    can you quote the sources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post

    You need to get out more often then.

    That shop has remained closed for almost a week. The signal was loud and clear. D espite 25 known complaints, who was able to do put him out of business prior? No one.
    So what you're saying is such behavior that even if you inadvertently and accidentally arouse someone's anger, they should be allowed to harass you? Even if it might have been a mistake?

    What this is laying the grounds for is for people to take revenge in such manner and you're perfectly ok with that?

    And please, I'm out very often but i don't see people getting cheated every where i go. Unless of course, you get cheated every day.

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