21st October 2002, 12:32 AM
yea tibet can be quite interesting too cause the other day i heard my step dad saying he could get lodging at der monastery....but i donno whether to confirm this or not caused he is quite busy...but i bet it will be super interesting...if get to stay in der monastery....
21st October 2002, 05:43 PM
I am interested too. I can put down for 14days including the weekends. 3 weeks will be tough to do but depends on dates.
Pls keep it updated with the trip details.
21st October 2002, 07:15 PM
I am interested too. Will be free from Dec onwards. Pls keep me posted.
22nd October 2002, 03:18 PM
Hey, thinking of going tibet also read alot about this place. better go before they build the Qinghai to Tibet railway whereby there will be tonnes of Chinses tourists swarming the place. Keep me informed ya ?
28th October 2002, 10:20 AM
Sorry about the break in updates as im away for the time being.. finally found an internet cafe in this part of town.
So far, i can see more ppl are interetsed in Tibet.I suppose 2 weeks will be more than sufficient for tibet.Maybe someone (as im away at the moment)can start gathering interested parties to work up the period of travel which will accomodate everyone.
From there we can work out the itinerary and the budget needed.
Ill start it rolling here:
1)shmott : Free from 18 Jan 03 onwards.
28th October 2002, 02:55 PM
ok then just to have a nominal roll for a start...anyone interested just continue on der list
28th October 2002, 04:00 PM
3) Vic - from 10 March 2003 onwards
5th November 2002, 12:40 AM
Interesting. My friends and I are planning for a trip next year late Feb till early April. We are going to Tibet from Kathmandu overland, and hope to reach Tibet in time for the New Year & other celebrations in March. Then we will be heading back to Nepal for a 14 -18 days trek. I have received some costing and recommendation from various friends who have went to Nepal recently. If interested, I will send you the info. to you.
5th November 2002, 08:56 AM
sound great! wonder if you mind posting on the board for all to share? it would make great reference material.
thanks on behalf of all!!
5th November 2002, 10:38 AM
TIBET: The best 4 weeks tour in Tibet would be as follows: Travel from Kathmandu to Zangmu (border town)- travel to Mt. Kailas and Mansarover. circle around the holy mountain of Mt. Kailas, visit Zhada (the ruin of Guge kingdom), return to Shegar by different route, visit Shakya monastery and travel to Lhasa via Ghyantse and Yamdrok lake. Spend 3 to 4 days sightseeing in Lhasa and fly out to Chengdu and to Hongkong. This can be done in about 3 weeks and if you extend travel to Rongbuk and Everest base camp you should add another 4 days to Shigatse. This is the most exhaustive overland tour on the roof top of the world. The cost of the tour would be about US$120 to $150 per person per day depending upon type of transport and hotel accommodation you woudl like to be provided. It is all inclusive of meals during overland travel, ground transports for members and staffs, accommodation, guides, camping staffs and travel permits. Airfare is not included.
NEPAL: For treks in Nepal I would suggest 18 days trek Around Annapurna starting at Besishar, visit Manang, cross a high pass -Thorangla 5335 meter and descend to Jomsom and to Beni-Baglung; from there drive to Pokhara onward to Kathmandu. This is classic trek circumnavigating entire Annapurna massif in anti clockwise direction. It is one of the best popular trek in Nepal. You can use either tent or lodge known as tea house to do this trek. Using tent the cost would be US$35 per day per person and using Lodge would be US$25 per person per day. Cost inclusive of meals, accommodation, guide and camp staffs, local transportation. Park fees US$26 and airfare are extra.
Please consider the proposal and let me know. The above proposal is just an outline and a guideline. I shall provide you detail of the itinerary and travel information to help you prepare for this ultimate journey.
My email address is email@example.com and phone number is 977-1-241249 or 240980 and Fax Nbr#977-1-246571
5th November 2002, 10:44 AM
how come tibet is some much more expensive than nepal leh??
5th November 2002, 10:45 AM
Another one with more details. This one include trip to India which was my original plan.
Singapore -Nepal- Tibet-Nepal-India-Singapore.
The itinerary would be as follow, though it can be changed as per your
suitable date and interest:
Day Feb Tentative night stop
01 25 Arrive Kathmandu, transfer to Hotel
02 26 Free day in Kathmandu, explore Kathmandu
03 27 Free day in Kathmandu, explore Kathmandu
Start trek to Everest Base camp
04 28 Fly to Lukla.( 2850m) Trek to Phakding (2650 m) 3
05 01Mar Namche Bazaar (3440 m)- 5 hours
06 02 Namche Rest/ acclimatization
07 03 Tengboche (3800 m)-5 hours
07 04 Pheriche (4200 m)- 5 hours
08 05 Pheriche rest & acclimatization
09 06 Loubuje (4950 m)- 5 hours
10 07 Kalapattar (5545 m) & back to Loubuje- 6 hours
11 08 Pangboche (3900 m)
12 09 Panka (4200m) 6 ˝ hour
13 10 Gokyo (5485 m)
14 11 Rest day at Gokyo
15 12 Macherma -5 hours
16 13 Khumjung (3790 m) 5 hours
17 14 Namche- 2 hours
18 15 Lukla- 5 hours
19 16 Fly:Lukla to Kathmandu, transfer to Hotel
20 17 In Kathmandu, Free day, aply visa for Tibet
21 18 In Kathmandu
22 19 In Kathmandu
23 20 Start Overland tour to Tibet, drive to Kodari,
Nepal/Tibet boarder, proceed to Zhangmu, drive
further after completing the customs and
immigration formalities, drive to Nyalamu,
overnight at Hotel
24 21 Drive to Paigutso Lake-camp
25 22 Drive to Saga-camp
26 23 Drive to Paryang-Camp
27 24 Drive to Mayomla pass-camp
28 25 Drive to Darchen, the starting point of the
trek around Kailash Mountain-camp
29 26 Trek to Dira Puk -camp
30 27 Continue trek around Mt. Kailash and over Dromola
31 28 End trek around Kailash near Darchen, proceed to
32 29 Excursion to the lake Mansarover-camp
33 30 Drive to Tsaparang-camp
34 31 Drive to Toling, excursion to the Guge
35 01 Apr Drive to Mayomla Pass-camp
36 02 Drive to Paryang-camp
37 03 Drive to Salt Lake via Shungba-camp
38 04 Drive to Lhatse- stay at Guest House
39 05 Drive to Shigatse visiting the Sakya Monastery
enroute, over night at hotel/guesthouse
40 06 Visit Tashilunpho Monastery and the free market,
PM-drive via southern Highway to Lhasa,o/n at
41 07 Sightseeing tour in Lhasa
42 08 Sightseeing tour in Lhasa
43 09 Transfer to airport, fly to Kathmandu or Chengdu
for onward journey to home.
Travel further to India can be arranged, please let me know what is your rough ideas that you would like to do or your intrest in India, visit to Sikkim and Darjeeling is another option in India which is eaually great and life time experience.
Trip to Tibet depends upon nuber of people participating in the group and type of transportation that you used. For smaller size group the cost would be US$ 120 to US$ 150 per day per person. Cost included all meals, ground transport for member and staffs, accommodation, guides, camping staffs and tibet travel permit. Air fare Lhasa to Kathmandu is US$ 273 not included in
the tour cost.
Trek in Nepal can be done in two ways, one is fully arranged camping trek, you will sleep in the camp set by our staffs and our cook will cook food for you in the camp, all food will be carriedfrom Kathmandu by porters.
The second option is tea house /lodge trek , in this trek will sleep and eat in the lodges. Camping trek would cost you US$ 45 per person per day, Lodge/tea house trek cost is US$ 30 per person per day, National park fee is US$ 15 one time and airfare Kathmandu to Lukla and Kathmandu is US$ US$ 186. For hotel in Kathmandu you can budge around US$ 10-15 per night f1-2 star category.
5th November 2002, 10:50 AM
Because the Agents & Travel vendors are not Nepalese. It is considered cheaper than trying to make the arrangement from China as compared to Kathmandu.
Next, Proposal C:
Its is nice to learn that your friend from Singapore recommended our company to you, and thank you for your e-mail dated 29th October. During late February and early march the weather in Nepal will be pleasant with spring season just beginning whereas in the Tibet side the weather will still be little cold. Yes we do organize tours to Tibet and as per your request we are sending you the itinerary of our most popular 8 days overland drive in / fly out budget tour program which departs every Saturday with a group . Its tour cost and other relevant information are also mentioned below for you to consider.
Regarding the route / road condition in the Tibet tour the friendship highway sometimes blocked with snow dumpings during December / January but by the beginning of march snow gets cleared out. However, we keep on receiving news about the friendship highway condition from our Tibetan counterpart agent. So incase there are snow blockades then we will keep you informed.
08 DAYS OVERLAND ADVENTURE TOUR TO TIBET ( DRIVE IN / FLY OUT ) :
DAY 01 : KATHMANDU - NY LAM ( 3800 m ) - 127 Kms. Departure at 5:30 hrs from THE GREEN HILL TOURS OFFICE in Thamel. After an Approx. 06 hrs drive we reach KODARI ( China/Nepal Boarder). Half an hour drive by truck will bring us to ZANGMU, where after completion of immigration formalities we further drive to Nylam following the BHOTE KOSHI river in a deep valley with some overflowing waterfalls. Overnight in Guest House.
DAY 02 : NY LAM - LHATZE ( 4500 m ) - 125 Kms. From Nylam, the road follows the BHOTE KOSHI river in a deep valley with plenty of waterfalls. After 2 & half hrs. drive we reach NY LAM PASS.(3800m) with the JUGAL HIMAL in view. A continued drive via LALUNG LA PASS (5050m) will bring us in view of MT LANGTHANG (9724m), MT. XIXAPANGMA (8013m), MT DORJEE LAPKA (6980m), MT. MAKALU (8464m), MT EVEREST (8884m), MT LHOTSE (8516m) & MT CHO OYU (8201m). Overnight in Guest House.
DAY 03 : LHATZE - XIGATSE ( 3900 m ) -195 Kms. Lhatze is 03 hrs. away over a 5220m pass. Near the petrol station, there is small restaurant where tea / snacks are available. Depending upon the road conditions, SAKYA MONASTERY, which is 26 Kms.off from the main road, will be visited. SAKYA is one of the oldest and most important monastery. Reach Xigatse, the place of the famous TASHILUMPO MONASTERY the seat of Panchen Lama until his death in 1989 with its huge Thanka Wall clearly visible on the northern side of the road. Overnight in Hotel Samdruptse or Similar standard.
DAY 04 : XIGATSE - GYANTSE ( 3950 m ) - 90 Kms. After visiting TASHILUMPO MONASTERY in the morning including the Bazaar of Xigatse, drive to Gyantse, which is small bustling town steeped in history. It lies 264 Kms. Southwest of Lhasa on the northern bank of NYANG CHU river.In the 15th century it served as the capital of a small kingdom. Visit KUMBUM CHORTEN which was built around 1400 AD. It later became the main center for trade with British India. Overnight in Hotel Gyantse or Utse.
DAY 05 : GYANTSE - LHASA ( 3650 m ) - 261Kms.
08 hrs.drive takes you to Lhasa crossing the KARO LA PASS (5110m) and KAMBA LA PASS (4797m). The KARO LA PASS climbs two lofty mountains, NOZING KHANG SA (7223m) and RALUNG (9623m). While driving you will see the YAMDROK TSO (Turquoise Lake) which takes approx. 1 hr. to cross around. After passing KAMBALA, Lhasa valley will be seen to the north. You will also cross the Brahmaputra river. Reaching Lhasa and check into hotel. The accompanied guide will reconfirm your onward airline ticket. Overnight in Hotel Mandala or Flora or Kailash .
DAY 6 & 7 : IN LHASA. These days you will be engrossed with sightseeing and excursion of the POTALA PALACE,THE JOKHANG TEMPLE, surrounding BARKHOR market area, DREPUNG and SERA monasteries. Overnight in Hotel Mandala or Flora or Kailash.
DAY 08 : LHASA - KATHMANDU (OR TO YOUR ONWARD DESTINATION). In the morning after breakfast 2 hrs drive to Gonggar Airport. Bid farewell to the Holy City and fly back to Kathmandu. Departure of flight for Kathmandu would be approx. 10 :00 hrs. (China Standard Time) and will arrive Kathmandu at 09:00 hrs. (Nepal Standard Time). During the flight (weather permitting) you will see the following: YARLUNG TSANGPO RIVER, LAKE YAMDROK, MT KANCHENJUNGA (8586m), MT MAKALU (8463m) and MT EVEREST (8848m).
US $ 555 per person upon joining our group in a Japanese Hino Bus.
US $ 595 per person upon joining our group using a 4WD Land Cruiser.
5th November 2002, 10:51 AM
Ah yah...info too long can't fit in...pls see the part 2 of Proposal C :
SERVICES INCLUDED :
Twin sharing hotel accommodation in Lhasa on BB ( Bed & Breakfast ) basis, Best available Hotels / Guest Houses en route on BB basis , All necessary transportation KATHMANDU - LHASA, All sightseeing tour as per the program with an English speaking Tibetan Guide, AIRFARE LHASA - KATHMANDU on economy class, TTB permit and Monastery entrance fees.
SERVICES EXCLUDED :
Lunch, Dinner, Drinks, Desserts & all expenses of personal nature, Nepal re-entry visa fee, Airport Departure tax = US $ 12 per person i.e. 90 YUAN per person ( Only Chinese currency is accepted at the Gonggar Airport ), Air ticket reconfirmation fee = US $ 4 per person, Photography fee, Travelling and Health Insurance, Emergency evacuation, Extra charges for porters and other vehicles incase of landslides and other natural calamities and Tibet / China Visa Fee .
1. We will charge US $ 50 extra on top of the total tour cost US $ 555 per person if we have to use land cruisers in those particular areas along the friendship highway where there have occurred accidental landslides and other natural calamities beyond our control.This applies only for those who chooses to join our BUS group.
2. On our fixed Saturdays group departure from Kathmandu by overland clients are free to choose whether they wish to travel by Land Cruiser or by Bus. Although, this necessarily does not mean that people travelling by a Land cruiser will have their own private guide because only one guide will be provided for both the Bus and Land Cruiser trip in every single departure.
3. The Japanese made Hino bus will accommodate maximum 18 persons with the last 2 seat rows left empty for your back packs whereas one Land Cruiser can comfortable accommodate maximum 5 persons excluding the driver & guide.
4. We will be having one local English speaking Tibetan guide throughout our 8 days program who will be capable of handling the whole ( Bus and Land Cruiser ) group by himself.
5. It will be better and cheaper if you can obtain your respective Chinese visas from your own home countries so that you can arrive in Kathmandu at least 2/3 days prior to your Tibet departure and not 7 days earlier if we have to obtain the individual Chinese visa from Kathmandu. ( If the individual Chinese visa has to be obtained from the Embassy in Kathmandu then they will require your original passport at least 7 days prior to your Tibet departure date. ) The TTB permit which we will process for the group will allow you to enter Tibet and the individual Chinese visa will allow you to stay for a few extra days in Lhasa before finally flying back either to Kathmandu or further on into China. For those extra days in Lhasa at the end of the tour you will be free on your own without any services provided from our side.
NOTE : While applying for the Chinese visa in your respective HOME COUNTRY please do not let the Chinese Embassy know that you intend to travel into Tibet ( lest they reject you a Chinese Visa ). Rather tell them that you intend to travel into Beijing, Sanghai or some other parts / metropolis of mainland China.
6. Traveling overland between Kathmandu and Tibet is an incredible journey in which you can see the world’s highest plateau. This is a wonderful and amazing trip. However, if you are not up for a bit of adventure, or for accommodation and amenities that may be far from perfect, perhaps this trip is not for you. The infrastructure of the tourist industry is still very basic in this remote region. Despite our well preparation, please do not expect the standard you are accustomed to. Although we try our best to see that our tour runs smoothly, we have to let you know that we have to rely heavily on our Tibetan Counterpart Agent for delivering the services who again has to depend and comply with the strict travel rules and regulations of the Chinese Government
DEPARTURE DAYS TO TIBET : EVERY SATURDAY.
A trip to Tibet takes an ascending order and can be rather exhausting at the initial point. Hence travelers are advised to consult a Doctor before deciding to make a move and we always advice our clients to get a fitness certificate from a Doctor prior to taking part in this journey. The medical certificate is of utmost importance especially for people with heart, lungs and blood diseases.
25 % payment of the total tour cost should be wired into our bank account through Bank Telex Transfer at least 3 weeks prior or even earlier to the departure date to Tibet. We prefer American Express Bank. We will also require a copy of the bank telex transfer through fax as it provides to be a proof through which it becomes easy for us to claim with our Bank the 25% payment that you will have wired. The 25 % booking deposit is not acceptable through Credit Cards. However, upon your arrival in Kathmandu the remaining balance payment can be made either in Cash, Traveller's Cheque or on a Visa Card or Master Card. While making the balance payment on a Credit Card a commission of 4% EXTRA will be charged by our Bank.
CANCELLATION POLICY :
After paying the booking deposit, incase you cancel the tour 30 days prior to the departure date then you will receive a 100% refund. And if you cancel the tour within less than 30 days prior to your departure date then you will loose US $ 100 per person. Whereas, after you enter Tibet either by overland or flight and then due to your personal problems such as sickness, injuries, accidents, altitude sickness and other reasons which is beyond our control, the tour has to be cancelled, then there will be no refund at all.
CANCELLATION CHARGE FOR AIR TICKET :
A cancellation fee of 33% on the airfare Kathmandu - Lhasa or Lhasa - Kathmandu will be charged by the airlines if cancelled after issuing / purchasing of the confirmed air tickets.
CHINESE EMBASSY AT KATHMANDU GRANTS VISAS ONLY ON MONDAYS, WEDNESDAYS & FRIDAYS.
CHINESE VISA & TIBET ( TTB ) PERMIT PROCEDURE IN KATHMANDU :
We need your complete Passport details such as : Name, Surname, Sex, Date of Birth, Nationality, Occupation, Passport Number, Passport Issued Date & Passport Expiry Date through e-mail and a photocopy of your Passport ( that page which bears your picture ) through fax in order to process the necessary Visa / TTB Permit at least 3 weeks or even earlier prior to your departure date to Tibet. Our fax no is 00 977 - 1 - 419985.
MONTH WISE FLIGHT OPERATING DAYS OF THE CHINA SOUTHWEST AIRLINES :
MARCH = Saturdays only.
APRIL = Tuesdays & Saturdays only.
MAY = Tuesdays & Saturdays only.
JUNE = Tuesdays & Saturdays only.
JULY TO OCTOBER = Tuesdays & Saturdays only.
NOVEMBER = Saturdays only.
PRECAUTIONS & HEALTH CARE FOR HIGH ALTITUDE SICKNESS :
Because of the high altitude, thin air, cold and arid atmosphere of Tibet, travelers occasionally might suffer from high altitude sickness of different degrees, such as headaches, insomnia, depression and nervousness. To prevent these altitude sickness, we would remind you to have enough rest, drink lots of water at least 3 liters per day, not to strain or exhaust yourself, move slowly and breathe deeply. For the light sick ones, medicine is not necessary but rest is a prime necessity. While for the seriously sick, tours must be stopped immediately. The patient should lie down in bed and if possible inhale oxygen (hotels can always provide oxygen bags and cylinders). Inhaling oxygen is a convenient and effective way of curing altitude sickness.
RECOMMENDED CLOTHINGS :
Because of its high altitude and climate, Tibet is somewhat cold and the difference in temperatures between day time and night time is vast. But as for its long sunshine, winter is not too bad. Its annual rainfall is not much with the monsoon occurring scarcely between July and September. In spring, autumn and winter the weather is a little bit dry.
SPRING ( Mar - May ) : Cold, dry and windy. A down jacket and woolen sweater are necessary.
SUMMER ( Jun - Aug ) : Cold but not hot at noon. Shirts, pants or skirts are fine.
AUTUMN ( Sept - Nov ) : Cold, dry. Jackets and sweaters are necessary.
WINTER ( Dec - Feb ) : Frigid and very dry. Warm pullover, down jacket, woolen sweaters, scarves and gloves are necessary.
Incase you have any more queries or require any further assistance / information regarding the tour then please feel to write to us. Look forward to hearing from you again.
Indra K Yonzon.
Green Hill Tours & Treks (P) Ltd.
P.O.Box 5072., Kathmandu, Nepal.
Phone # 00 977 1 414803, 424968
Fax # 00 977 1 419985.
Web : www.greenhilltours.com
11th November 2002, 01:37 PM
My friends and I are looking for 2 more companions for a trip to Nepal/Tibet next year 2003,late Feb till April. Budget: abt$4k. The group will be kept to 5 people.
What will you get to see:
1) Beautiful scenic spots in Nepal and Tibet
2) Just in time for Tibetian New Year and other festivals (March)
3) Nomadic tibetian and their ways of life
1st week - Nepal = = 3 days in Kathmandu then followed by a overland trip (5days)to Lhasa, Tibet.
2rd,3rd and 4th week = = Central Tibet & western Tibet
5th & 6th week == Fly back to Kathmandu for 10-12 days trekking trip and explore Kathmandu. Back to Singapore at around middle April.
If you are interested or for more details, please e-mail to firstname.lastname@example.org.
Closing date: End of this year.