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    Quote Originally Posted by hanzohattori View Post
    Their own ass ?
    You have put it mildly...

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    Fully agreed. The purpose of these companies must be to serve commuters. If they can do this and break even by the end of the year then it is perfect. Any other surplus should be put aside for future expenses.
    And the only answer is to nationalize these companies and do a total revamp.
    Why need to have 2 MRT companies with 2 sets of administrators and highly paid CEOs, and doing the same job. Any need of competition to attract customers? The commuters are captive clients with little alternate options. Same with the bus companies.
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    ...we have all seen that happening with the telcos.. ......creating a sense of competition and fake rivalry .... ... but the funds ultimately end up in either the left or right pocket ..... so shrewd.






    And the only answer is to nationalize these companies and do a total revamp.
    Why need to have 2 MRT companies with 2 sets of administrators and highly paid CEOs, and doing the same job. Any need of competition to attract customers? The commuters are captive clients with little alternate options. Same with the bus companies.[/QUOTE]
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    Dudes, why are you all blaming the ground crew. They are only doing their best to get through the day.

    Think about this a moment:

    Who skimped on maintenance for close to a decade and caused all these problems?
    Who came with only skills to run retail, then realized when his/her her skills are lacking, decided to compensate for his/her inadequacies by transforming SMRT into retail?
    Who decided in 2003 to freeze wages, so SMRT workers almost went on strike? If this happened, then the unbroken streak since 1987 would end in his/her hands. Really is historical achievement unlocked.
    Who decided to give out dividend after fat dividend, until when Desmond Kwek took over and put things in order, dividends had to drop by half? Isn't this indication the business has become unsustainable?

    And when people are being squashed on the platform because of a train breakdown, who got the fat reward and walked away with a lavish lifestyle he/she felt entitled to?

    And finally, who put this person in charge?

    Please loh, if you want to blame, at least blame the right person.

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    Dudes, why are you all blaming the ground crew. They are only doing their best to get through the day.

    Think about this a moment:

    Who skimped on maintenance for close to a decade and caused all these problems?
    Who came with only skills to run retail, then realized when his/her her skills are lacking, decided to compensate for his/her inadequacies by transforming SMRT into retail?
    Who decided in 2003 to freeze wages, so SMRT workers almost went on strike? If this happened, then the unbroken streak since 1987 would end in his/her hands. Really is historical achievement unlocked.
    Who decided to give out dividend after fat dividend, until when Desmond Kwek took over and put things in order, dividends had to drop by half? Isn't this indication the business has become unsustainable?

    And when people are being squashed on the platform because of a train breakdown, who got the fat reward and walked away with a lavish lifestyle he/she felt entitled to?

    And finally, who put this person in charge?

    Please loh, if you want to blame, at least blame the right person.
    The ground crew was brainless and didn't react fast enough?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NazgulKing View Post
    The ground crew was brainless and didn't react fast enough?
    Still, the root cause of the problem was the poor maintenance of the trains/tracks, which is what caused the breakdowns in the first place. If there are no breakdowns, the train station wouldn't be so packed until the escalators get blocked by commuters waiting on the platform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchRival View Post
    Dudes, why are you all blaming the ground crew. They are only doing their best to get through the day.

    Think about this a moment:

    Who skimped on maintenance for close to a decade and caused all these problems?
    Who came with only skills to run retail, then realized when his/her her skills are lacking, decided to compensate for his/her inadequacies by transforming SMRT into retail?
    Who decided in 2003 to freeze wages, so SMRT workers almost went on strike? If this happened, then the unbroken streak since 1987 would end in his/her hands. Really is historical achievement unlocked.
    Who decided to give out dividend after fat dividend, until when Desmond Kwek took over and put things in order, dividends had to drop by half? Isn't this indication the business has become unsustainable?

    And when people are being squashed on the platform because of a train breakdown, who got the fat reward and walked away with a lavish lifestyle he/she felt entitled to?

    And finally, who put this person in charge?

    Please loh, if you want to blame, at least blame the right person.
    Quote Originally Posted by brapodam View Post
    Still, the root cause of the problem was the poor maintenance of the trains/tracks, which is what caused the breakdowns in the first place. If there are no breakdowns, the train station wouldn't be so packed until the escalators get blocked by commuters waiting on the platform.
    so you expect the paper general to clear the crowd himself?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brapodam View Post

    Still, the root cause of the problem was the poor maintenance of the trains/tracks, which is what caused the breakdowns in the first place. If there are no breakdowns, the train station wouldn't be so packed until the escalators get blocked by commuters waiting on the platform.
    Doesn't change the fact that the station crew were idiots. What? They need to be told to use their brains? Thankfully this was an above ground station. If it wasn't, there'd be people fainting and such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    so you expect the paper general to clear the crowd himself?
    Like what you said, it's paper general. Don't expect too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zenten View Post
    ...we have all seen that happening with the telcos.. ......creating a sense of competition and fake rivalry .... ... but the funds ultimately end up in either the left or right pocket ..... so shrewd.
    This isn't unique to Singapore?

    you see this happening all over the world, even in countries like the USA, China, Russia etc. none are exempt

    it's rampant around the world. look at the republics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    so you expect the paper general to clear the crowd himself?
    No, i expect paper general or shopping auntie or whichever person up there to be competent to run the business in a responsible, sustainable way so commuters and ground service crew don't have to suffer.

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    Too bad, when paper general screw up, ground crew got to clear the mess. It's their job.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    Too bad, when paper general screw up, ground crew got to clear the mess. It's their job.
    you're describing just about every company and organization in the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    you're describing just about every company and organization in the world.
    But each company has their own individual levels of mess up. Some low level mess up can be covered by ground staff seamlessly. This is beyond the capability of ground staff to cover apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    This isn't unique to Singapore?

    you see this happening all over the world, even in countries like the USA, China, Russia etc. none are exempt

    it's rampant around the world. look at the republics
    But we are the First World Nation. USA, China, Russia etc are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxshade View Post
    But each company has their own individual levels of mess up. Some low level mess up can be covered by ground staff seamlessly. This is beyond the capability of ground staff to cover apparently.
    Either that or they weren't trained to handle that situation. 2 - 3 staff vs a shiteload of people?

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    Wait a minute.... If this is also happening around the world, then why are the so-called paper generals literally earning millions of dollars every year? What is the special part about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andreq View Post
    Wait a minute.... If this is also happening around the world, then why are the so-called paper generals literally earning millions of dollars every year? What is the special part about them?
    That's life as quoted here 2000 years ago in the Han Dynasty:


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    Ho ho ho, paper general is spending resources chasing paper certification! Don't know what PAS55 nonsense that only HK MTR bothered to get
    But really, why are you all knocking paper general? What exactly did he do to make you all so miserable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArchRival View Post
    Ho ho ho, paper general is spending resources chasing paper certification! Don't know what PAS55 nonsense that only HK MTR bothered to get
    But really, why are you all knocking paper general? What exactly did he do to make you all so miserable?
    I am still wondering what qualification the General has. He has a master of arts in science ? Where can I buy such a degree also ?

    Anyway, any engineer with half a brain can tell you, when you run a system beyond its design load for a long term, it is not good for the physical infrastructure.

    A private sector solution is to liberalize route monopolies. A lot of people don't know that buses are forbidden to run the same routes parallel to MRT tracks, because the profit of MRT operators "must be protected".

    This way, the overloading on MRT lines is reduced, and efficiency is increased. If you want to see positive changes in how Singapore transport is run, sack the Transport minister and have me lead. I'll do it for catnip. Meow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizuma View Post

    This way, the overloading on MRT lines is reduced, and efficiency is increased. If you want to see positive changes in how Singapore transport is run, sack the Transport minister and have me lead. I'll do it for catnip. Meow.
    Shizuma for minister !

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