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    Quote Originally Posted by brapodam View Post
    EM10 has a 14-42 kit, not sure if there is a kit for EM1.

    Adapter is only applicable if you're using lenses not made for m4/3 mount. If you don't have any of those and are not planning to buy them, you don't need adapters. I think most mirrorless systems have adapters that enable you to mount lenses of all sorts of mounts, but unless you already own lenses with other mounts, you shouldn't worry too much about adapters, and there should be very little reason for you to buy such lenses solely for use on m4/3 cameras.

    Most people I think get the adapters for mounting old manual lenses which have very large apertures (e.g. Leica 50mm f0.95), or simply old lenses which they owned for use on their film cameras. Other than that, I don't think there's a particularly compelling reason to get lenses meant to fit on another mount (e.g. Canon 70-200 f2.8) for use on a m4/3 body, since there are usually equivalent lenses for these.
    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    They have two version, one came with kit lens and one sold for body only. So when you request for quotation do spec whether you want it to come with kit lens or not. Also, do note that for EM1, they have a couple of different kit lens. You can choose the cheap 14-42mm kit lens, or the slightly more expensive 12-50mm kit lens or the excellent but most costly 12-40mm f2.8 kit lens. For both EM1 and EM10, I do believe that there is a kit that came with both 14-42mm + 40-150mm lenses. Do note that the 40-150mm lens are not the expensive but excellent PRO lens.

    As for adapter for other lenses, yes, they have adapters. But different adapters to be use for different lenses. Olympus already built 4/3 mount lenses (note, it is 4/3 and not micro4/3) and there is an adapter to adapt these lenses to new m4/3 camera. These lenses will retain all their AF capability and the m4/3 cameras can detect this lens as per normal. Only issue is that the AF speed would drop tremendously for these lenses.

    As for other lens, even with adapter, you couldn't detect the lens, it can still work, but you cannot change aperture of the lens from your camera and there is no autofocus. Plus, unless the adapter had a danelion chip built in, your camera cannot even give AF confirmation.

    For starter, I would really advise against going this far. Learn to walk first before jumping on to the next step.
    Thanks for the information. I just want to check if the Olympus EM1 or EM10 need an adapter for the kit lens.

    Are you referring the 40-150mm lens to ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 40-150mm F4.0-5.6 or M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 40-150mm F2.8 PRO?

    Quote Originally Posted by iise7en View Post
    Just go for EM-5 with 12-40mm F2.8(each item can be seen at BnS section) as it would be good "kit" for you to walk away with bigger smile on your face and happier person shooting away.
    Thanks for sharing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by renol View Post
    Thanks for the information. I just want to check if the Olympus EM1 or EM10 need an adapter for the kit lens.

    Are you referring the 40-150mm lens to ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 40-150mm F4.0-5.6 or M.ZUIKO DIGITAL ED 40-150mm F2.8 PRO?



    Thanks for sharing.
    You see, EM series does not need adapter for any M.Zuiko lens. Unless you have Zuiko lens (No M.), you certainly need the adapter to fit Zuiko lens. For better understanding about M.Zuiko and Zuiko, please go this link. http://www.43rumors.com/new-olympus-lens-roadmap-2/
    There are two version of 40-150mm lens- the current one is cheaper and another is upcoming lens with PRO version which would be launched on the end of this year but very expensive-around $2.K ++++.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iise7en View Post
    You see, EM series does not need adapter for any M.Zuiko lens. Unless you have Zuiko lens (No M.), you certainly need the adapter to fit Zuiko lens. For better understanding about M.Zuiko and Zuiko, please go this link. http://www.43rumors.com/new-olympus-lens-roadmap-2/
    There are two version of 40-150mm lens- the current one is cheaper and another is upcoming lens with PRO version which would be launched on the end of this year but very expensive-around $2.K ++++.
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    Correct me if I am wrong.

    Based on the picture above, E-M1 need a 4/3 MMF-3 adapter for all lenses including M.Zuiko.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renol View Post
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    Correct me if I am wrong.

    Based on the picture above, E-M1 need a 4/3 MMF-3 adapter for all lenses including M.Zuiko.
    Don't looked at the Zuiko lens lineup. Look at the m.Zuiko lens lineup. The Zuiko lens lineup are lenses for Olympus DSLR. Once upon a time, Olympus did introduce DSLR, with 4/3 sensor format. I believe the last DSLR released by Olympus is the E-5 in 2011 and is no longer producing this type of camera, although there are still quite a number of people using Olympus DSLR so the lenses are still available.

    And yes, you required an adapter if you want to mount the Zuiko lenses, but I would not advise you to go there unless you have Zuiko lenses lying around your house. The AF is really slow with the adapter even with the EM1 and the Zuiko lenses are designed for DSLR, so they are not really small in size.

    Go for the native m.Zuiko lenses and Panasonic lenses. For the kit lens, m.Zuiko came with their own kit lens. At present, there are basically three main kit lenses for you to choose (of different pricing, of course), the 14-42mm, the 12-50mm and finally the 12-40mm.

    Also when I mentioned 14-150mm, I meant the 14-150mm f4-5.6, it is small, very light and good enough for most uses. Of course if you have the extra $$$ and time to wait, you can get the 14-150mm PRO lens (costing around 2k and was accepting only preorder now estimated delivery will be around next year).
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    Don't looked at the Zuiko lens lineup. Look at the m.Zuiko lens lineup. The Zuiko lens lineup are lenses for Olympus DSLR. Once upon a time, Olympus did introduce DSLR, with 4/3 sensor format. I believe the last DSLR released by Olympus is the E-5 in 2011 and is no longer producing this type of camera, although there are still quite a number of people using Olympus DSLR so the lenses are still available.

    And yes, you required an adapter if you want to mount the Zuiko lenses, but I would not advise you to go there unless you have Zuiko lenses lying around your house. The AF is really slow with the adapter even with the EM1 and the Zuiko lenses are designed for DSLR, so they are not really small in size.

    Go for the native m.Zuiko lenses and Panasonic lenses. For the kit lens, m.Zuiko came with their own kit lens. At present, there are basically three main kit lenses for you to choose (of different pricing, of course), the 14-42mm, the 12-50mm and finally the 12-40mm.

    Also when I mentioned 14-150mm, I meant the 14-150mm f4-5.6, it is small, very light and good enough for most uses. Of course if you have the extra $$$ and time to wait, you can get the 14-150mm PRO lens (costing around 2k and was accepting only preorder now estimated delivery will be around next year).
    Thanks for the explanation because I am confused by how the picture is being displayed with E-M1 + MMF-3 across both Zuiko and M.Zuiko lenses.

    Just a sidetrack question, anyone know about GoPro cameras?

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    Quote Originally Posted by renol View Post
    Thanks for the explanation because I am confused by how the picture is being displayed with E-M1 + MMF-3 across both Zuiko and M.Zuiko lenses.

    Just a sidetrack question, anyone know about GoPro cameras?
    GoPro cameras are more for video only. It is marketed as action camera, of course there is a way to shoot still from this camera but it is not that straight forward.

    (method in shooting still with GoPro)
    http://petapixel.com/2014/05/22/know...hooting-video/

    For what you plan to do... I would really not advise you get this camera, unless you plan to shoot action video (sports) with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    GoPro cameras are more for video only. It is marketed as action camera, of course there is a way to shoot still from this camera but it is not that straight forward.

    (method in shooting still with GoPro)
    http://petapixel.com/2014/05/22/know...hooting-video/

    For what you plan to do... I would really not advise you get this camera, unless you plan to shoot action video (sports) with it.
    Thanks. I am not getting this camera, just purely want to know that all.

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    Equipment list:

    1. Olympus OM-D E-M1 or E-M10 with kit lens (dropped Panasonic GH4 as it does not have internal stabilization which will depend on lens' image stabilization)
    2. Neck strap (optional)
    3. Sirui tripod with G or K series ball head
    4. Digi-Cabi 50L or Apio 38L dry cabinet
    5. Camera bag

    Is there a need for leather case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by renol View Post
    Equipment list:

    1. Olympus OM-D E-M1 or E-M10 with kit lens (dropped Panasonic GH4 as it does not have internal stabilization which will depend on lens' image stabilization)
    2. Neck strap (optional)
    3. Sirui tripod with G or K series ball head
    4. Digi-Cabi 50L or Apio 38L dry cabinet
    5. Camera bag

    Is there a need for leather case?
    Depend on how you want your camera to look. Personally, I couldn't be bother with a leather case. But I have a couple of bags (different bag for different occassions and mood and uses) to keep my cameras and other barang barang in when I go out to shoot. As for the dry cabinet, I would recommend getting the biggest one you can afford (in your case the 50L one) because photography can be pretty addictive, so in time, you might purchase more and more lenses and frankly speaking, you might find a small dry cabinet not really enough.
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    I agree. I started with a 35L. Now, I have 3 (35, 60 and 80).

    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    As for the dry cabinet, I would recommend getting the biggest one you can afford (in your case the 50L one) because photography can be pretty addictive, so in time, you might purchase more and more lenses and frankly speaking, you might find a small dry cabinet not really enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    Depend on how you want your camera to look. Personally, I couldn't be bother with a leather case. But I have a couple of bags (different bag for different occassions and mood and uses) to keep my cameras and other barang barang in when I go out to shoot. As for the dry cabinet, I would recommend getting the biggest one you can afford (in your case the 50L one) because photography can be pretty addictive, so in time, you might purchase more and more lenses and frankly speaking, you might find a small dry cabinet not really enough.
    Quote Originally Posted by SeAnCoLd View Post
    I agree. I started with a 35L. Now, I have 3 (35, 60 and 80).
    Thanks.

    I have updated my list:

    1. Olympus OM-D E-M1 or E-M10
    2. Extra Original Battery
    3. Transcend Memory Card
    4. Op/Tech or Black Rapid Sling Strap
    5. Sirui T-1204-X or T-2204-X + Sirui G20X or K10X
    6. Akarui E50D or Digi-Cabi DHC-40
    7. Billingham Hadley Small/Pro or Think Tank Retrospective 5

    Which shop(s) can I get most of the items?

    Thanks.
    Last edited by renol; 20th November 2014 at 04:06 PM.

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    There are a number of established stores. Here's a few:

    1) MS Color (AMK Central and AMK Hub)
    2) Cathay Photo (Peninsular Plaza)
    3) TK Foto (Funan)
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    Quote Originally Posted by renol View Post
    Thanks.

    I have updated my list:

    1. Olympus OM-D E-M1 or E-M10
    2. Extra Original Battery
    3. Transcend Memory Card
    4. Op/Tech or Black Rapid Sling Strap
    5. Sirui T-1204-X or T-2204-X + Sirui G20X or K10X
    6. Akarui E50D or Digi-Cabi DHC-40
    7. Billingham Hadley Small/Pro or Think Tank Retrospective 5

    Which shop(s) can I get most of the items?

    Thanks.
    AP-F: Alan Photo, #02-07 Funan The IT Mall | 6883-0922 | alanfoto@singnet.com.sg
    AP-S: Alan Photo, #01-38 Sim Lim Square | 6336-0922 | alanfoto@singnet.com.sg
    CP-1: Cathay Photo, #01-11, 14 Peninsula Plaza (Main) | 6337-4274 | email@cathayphoto.com.sg
    CP-2: Cathay Photo, Peninsula (Printer Section) | 6338-7783 | email@cathayphoto.com.sg
    CP-3: Cathay Photo, Peninsula (Tripod Section) | 6338-0451 | email@cathayphoto.com.sg
    CP-M: Cathay Photo, #02-215, Marina Square | 6339-6188 | email@cathayphoto.com.sg
    JO: John 3:16, #05-37 Funan Digitalife Mall | 6337-2877 | 6337-1897 | j316ps@gmail.com
    MS: MS Color (Main), 711 Ang Mo Kio Avenue 8, #01-3501C | 6457-6380 | sales@mscolor.com.sg
    MS: MS Color (AMK Hub), 53 Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 #02-24 | 6452-2828 | sales@mscolor.com.sg
    OP: Orient Photo, #06-31 | 53 Sim Lim Square | 6339-1035 | sales@orientfoto.com.sg
    SLRR: SLR Revolution, #05-K7 Funan Digitalife Mall | 6336-8767 | slr.revo@gmail.com
    TK: T.K. Foto Technic, #02-14 Funan Digitalife Mall | 6292-4533 | www.tkfoto.com.sg

    Send them an email to ask for quotation before going down. That way, you get to compare prices. Note that some shops sell some item cheaper than others but other items more expensive so you have quite a bit of shopping to do. Don't bet on just one shop.

    Also one friend word of reminder... "Only buy items that you have done research and gotten e-quote on." Forget about buying filters and the such. Normally when you bought something, alot of salemen will ask you to buy UV filter too, it is up to you to take up the offer, but normally, I will just forget about it. So far none of my lens has any UV filter on, and I don't see the needs for it. Secondly... if you don't know that particular brand of filter, you might open up some chances for the shop to chop carrot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeAnCoLd View Post
    There are a number of established stores. Here's a few:

    1) MS Color (AMK Central and AMK Hub)
    2) Cathay Photo (Peninsular Plaza)
    3) TK Foto (Funan)
    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    AP-F: Alan Photo, #02-07 Funan The IT Mall | 6883-0922 | alanfoto@singnet.com.sg
    AP-S: Alan Photo, #01-38 Sim Lim Square | 6336-0922 | alanfoto@singnet.com.sg
    CP-1: Cathay Photo, #01-11, 14 Peninsula Plaza (Main) | 6337-4274 | email@cathayphoto.com.sg
    CP-2: Cathay Photo, Peninsula (Printer Section) | 6338-7783 | email@cathayphoto.com.sg
    CP-3: Cathay Photo, Peninsula (Tripod Section) | 6338-0451 | email@cathayphoto.com.sg
    CP-M: Cathay Photo, #02-215, Marina Square | 6339-6188 | email@cathayphoto.com.sg
    JO: John 3:16, #05-37 Funan Digitalife Mall | 6337-2877 | 6337-1897 | j316ps@gmail.com
    MS: MS Color (Main), 711 Ang Mo Kio Avenue 8, #01-3501C | 6457-6380 | sales@mscolor.com.sg
    MS: MS Color (AMK Hub), 53 Ang Mo Kio Ave 3 #02-24 | 6452-2828 | sales@mscolor.com.sg
    OP: Orient Photo, #06-31 | 53 Sim Lim Square | 6339-1035 | sales@orientfoto.com.sg
    SLRR: SLR Revolution, #05-K7 Funan Digitalife Mall | 6336-8767 | slr.revo@gmail.com
    TK: T.K. Foto Technic, #02-14 Funan Digitalife Mall | 6292-4533 | www.tkfoto.com.sg

    Send them an email to ask for quotation before going down. That way, you get to compare prices. Note that some shops sell some item cheaper than others but other items more expensive so you have quite a bit of shopping to do. Don't bet on just one shop.

    Also one friend word of reminder... "Only buy items that you have done research and gotten e-quote on." Forget about buying filters and the such. Normally when you bought something, alot of salemen will ask you to buy UV filter too, it is up to you to take up the offer, but normally, I will just forget about it. So far none of my lens has any UV filter on, and I don't see the needs for it. Secondly... if you don't know that particular brand of filter, you might open up some chances for the shop to chop carrot.
    Thanks for the list of shops.

    I saw a few reputable shops in other threads but was thinking if I can get most of the items in one shop or maybe around Funan.

    Anyone has experiences using a neck or sling strap? Will the camera swing a lot?

    Any recommended filter for the EVF?
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    Quote Originally Posted by renol View Post
    Thanks for the list of shops.

    I saw a few reputable shops in other threads but was thinking if I can get most of the items in one shop or maybe around Funan.

    Anyone has experiences using a neck or sling strap? Will the camera swing a lot?

    Any recommended filter for the EVF?
    Unless you run alot, the camera will not swing anywhere any o' how. I brought my camera for trekking, etc, and no problem at all. What filter do you mean? Your EVF should have a eye cup. As for your liveview (the 3" LCD), whether you want a protective sheet over it or not, is also up to you. You can get one from the shop you buy your camera from.

    As for filter for your lenses, it is another story. Don't go there yet. Learn the basic first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by renol View Post
    Thanks for the list of shops. I saw a few reputable shops in other threads but was thinking if I can get most of the items in one shop or maybe around Funan. Anyone has experiences using a neck or sling strap? Will the camera swing a lot? Any recommended filter for the EVF?
    Better for you to compare price at various shops and highlight better prices as I had my own experience of buying from different shops at one go to ensure more savings. As for neck or sling strap, it is as same as trying new different shoes before you feel comfortable with particular brand before buying. Take your time. This festival period of time now is good enough for you to go out and testing your shooting prowess!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    Unless you run alot, the camera will not swing anywhere any o' how. I brought my camera for trekking, etc, and no problem at all. What filter do you mean? Your EVF should have a eye cup. As for your liveview (the 3" LCD), whether you want a protective sheet over it or not, is also up to you. You can get one from the shop you buy your camera from.

    As for filter for your lenses, it is another story. Don't go there yet. Learn the basic first.
    Thanks. I am getting for the liveview not lenses.

    Quote Originally Posted by iise7en View Post
    Better for you to compare price at various shops and highlight better prices as I had my own experience of buying from different shops at one go to ensure more savings. As for neck or sling strap, it is as same as trying new different shoes before you feel comfortable with particular brand before buying. Take your time. This festival period of time now is good enough for you to go out and testing your shooting prowess!
    Thanks.

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    It seems like most shops are having the following promotion:

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    Is it capable of shooting scenery with just only M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm F4.0-5.6 without the 12-40mm kit lens?
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    Quote Originally Posted by renol View Post
    It seems like most shops are having the following promotion:

    Is it capable of shooting scenery with just only M.Zuiko Digital ED 40-150mm F4.0-5.6 without the 12-40mm kit lens?
    In short, yes. It is okay to shoot landscape. It is even okay to shoot landscape with a 300mm lens, depending on how you frame your picture. But frankly, I would go for the 14-42mm kit lens and the 40-150mm f4-5.6 lens. This will cover most range. I survive on these two lenses for ages, and even now I am using only the 12-50mm kit lens (not the 12-40mm f2.8) and still didn't find the reason to upgrade.

    Of course if you have the dough... go for the best... it will give you years of fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    In short, yes. It is okay to shoot landscape. It is even okay to shoot landscape with a 300mm lens, depending on how you frame your picture. But frankly, I would go for the 14-42mm kit lens and the 40-150mm f4-5.6 lens. This will cover most range. I survive on these two lenses for ages, and even now I am using only the 12-50mm kit lens (not the 12-40mm f2.8) and still didn't find the reason to upgrade.

    Of course if you have the dough... go for the best... it will give you years of fun.
    Thanks. Then I may consider to go for Olympus OM-D E-M10 instead due to budget constraint.

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