And there were never 12 in the first place?Originally Posted by r32
And there were never 12 in the first place?Originally Posted by r32
u know hor, u can only get to the entrance with the Great Ocean Road by going the winding road..Originally Posted by Murcielago
* ops.. where did i keep my photos ??
Stress Man @ work... :bigeyes:
WAT..!!!Originally Posted by r32
its was already ONE down at my time ( 2 yr back ) and now ( june ) ONE more down ??
there WAS...Originally Posted by kahheng
Stress Man @ work... :bigeyes:
Really?Originally Posted by k3nn3th03
"Despite their name, there have only ever been nine apostles. Now there are eight."
Years ago, I too didn't count 12.....
[Someone else counted only ten: http://www.sgilligan.utvinternet.ie/itinerary/Sep19.htm hmm, I think I'll take the newspaper's word here]
No...... there NEVER was 12 blocks of stone. There used to be an Aboriginal name corresponding to the 9 existing blocks of stone, which was later changed to 12 Apostles to correspond with the Bible. And since July 2005, there's only 8.
ggrrrr....Originally Posted by r32
then pai sae plus sorry...
i was told by the GUIDE there is...
Stress Man @ work... :bigeyes:
hey, me just came back from melb last month.....
dont forget to shoot the flinders station at nite, it was cool...
also if u like architecture, tose building along swanston street also not bad, finally the view opposite crown casino along the river also not bad...
just remember to bring along your jacket, its cold and very very windy
remember to bring a good thick pair of gloves too, was at Melbourne last mth, my finger frozen when I snap without gloves lol. Today is quite cold, about 5 degree.
...Originally Posted by k3nn3th03
Some ClubSnap members have already brought up quite good and valid tips.
If you're an able-bodied S'porean guy, you should have no problems putting up in less-than-3-star accomodation. Doing NS would have given you nights out in the field without a bed. I doubt any tourist accomodation in Melbourne comes without a bed and mattress so even if you have a super duper low budget, there will be a creaky bed in the room for you.
If you can cohabitate with others, you'll find a backpackers' hotel dorm the perfect match on your small wallet. I saw someone mentioning YHA and Toad Hall Hotel. There's also the Melbourne International Backpackers Hotel and Elizabeth Hostel. All 4 of them are within a stone's throw, and I used to live within my spit's distance from them.
I'm not that knowledgeable on car rentals but there's Hertz, Ascot and Eurocar, all nearby these hotels. If you're on a super duper low budget, you can get a vehicle for as low as $12 per day with another less classy company called Rent A Bomb.
My advice is that if you live in the city CBD, don't rent a car to drive around the city. Parking will cost you money, and you can move around the city CBD on foot. It's nothing compared to your 24km route march. You could use public transport, and it's surely cheaper than in Sydney. I believe, but can't confirm, that taxis are also cheaper than in Sydney.
Someone mentioned about being careful about Spencer Street. I'm not sure why.
Someone mentioned photographing Flinders Street Station at night. If anything, I would advice being careful here instead. At night, the area around this station attracts a behemian and possibly crooked crowd, especially on Fri and Sat nights. Even the church diagonally opposite this station is a gathering chit-chat spot for weirdos, possibly homeless and druggies. You can still take photos but avoid doing it on Fri and Sat nights, otherwise keep your 6 (behind, rear, backside) guarded.
Two days ago, on the front page of Melbourne's free newspaper mX, general crime has gone down (down to an all time low IIRC) in Victoria but there is a rise in violence. However, generally Victoria is less crime ridden than Sydney, and boasts as having 25% lower than the national average.
Today, Melbourne witnessed it's coldest day this winter with snow blanketing many parts of the state previously unseen in 20+ years; falling even on some beaches. Apart from this abnormaly, the weather tends to alternate between sunny and rainy days all year round. A few days of sun and then a few days of cloud/rain. The weather can change quite drastically within the day, and hence Melbourne is a city that's sometimes said to have "4 seasons in 1 day".
If you're not here for a cultural or social study/analysis, I don't believe you'll need to travel to zones 2 and 3 where most locals live. These are mostly residential areas, like Bedok, Yishun, Redhill. Zone 1, like areas near City Hall, Bugis and Orchard, should provide you with most or all of your cosmopolitan urbanised entertainment.
For touring, you would probably travel beyond zones 2 and 3, into regions considered regional or country (as in countryside). Melbourne city's public transport doesn't reach these areas, at least not easily, and are best reached by a car. If you do rent a car, be sure you use it to drive out far. Using it within the city CBD or in zone 1 means you spend $$ on parking which could be saved.
When you come to Australia, be realistic about the $$ you have/need to spend. Gone are the days when S'pore dollar was so close to being par with the Aussie dollar. The SGD has fallen in value against the AUD (or you could say the other way around). If I'm correct to say this, I believe you would feel more hurt spending in Australia now than say 3-4 years ago.
Also, you are entering a different country/continent where the scale of money/prices is different. You can't find 70c kopi in Australia. Here, the cheapest coffee is probably cafe latte at about $2.50. You can't find a MacDonald's worker paid $3.50 per hour in Australia. Here, they are probably paid about $10 per hour.
For a S'porean bringing his SGD to Australia to spend, he'll surely feel some heartache.
If you're using film, avoid buying in Australia. The trend in Australia is to use 24-exp rolls, and many places sell less or none of the 36-exp rolls. They also cost more than in S'pore.
If you're using digital, bring enough memory cards to last you the entire trip. Alternatively, bring a portable harddrive or laptop that allows you to offload your cards into it.
Since you're a traveller/tourist, I would recommend you walk around with a "walkabout" all-in-1 zoom lens. You may take a wrong turn and find yourself in surrounded by guys who insist on wanting your cash and camera.
Melbourne and Victoria state may have lower crime rates but "low crime doesn't mean no crime". While you may find it unsafe compared to S'pore, the city isn't as unfriendly as compared to S"pore. However, the cold weather is a mood damper, and you may see/sense less friendliness but I'm confident you'll still find it pleasant.
In winter, Melbourne tends to be wet. The rain seldom comes down as heavy and as long as in S'pore but do protect your camera with a proper weatherproof bag. If you like to carry your camera around to shoot quickly and plenty , wear a water-resistant jacket/overcoat to cover your camera as you walk about in the rain.
wah, thanks alot. Need sometime to read & digest all the msg :-)
Basically, i want to know of good locations ( maybe already mentioned in previous msg, too many, tks ..) to take photo of Mel city & Sydney city..
Is there any old thread which i can referred to also...
Anyway, thanks folks...
I more or less agree with Jemapela, especially on being careful when you are overseas. Many who have lived in SG for a while tend to lower their guard...
Random comments from me :
Coffee at A$2.50 is worth more that those from SG Starbucks! The lattes are rich and great versus the colored dish water here...
Have a heavy breakfast for around A$6-8 (eggs, bacon, sausage) and grab sandwiches for lunch. That will last you for quite a while. Dinner? Depends again on your budget. Maccers (aka MacD) has decent food, but to appreciate where you are, you should eat where you visit, be it in Melb, Syd or NYC, etc. Queen Victoria market has good value for money food (check its opening days and time),and you can eat Lygon street, Greek precinct, China Town, Southbank (a bit of tourist trap here). All these are within 15-20 mins walk from Burke St Mall (taken as the centre). There is no place without good food in Melb , even in the suburbs.
Rain-wise, it is never as long and heavy as SG. Drizzle mostly and can occasionally turn heavy. That is price you pay for going in winter. If I'm going instead, I'll go for a ski trip to Mt Buller or Mt Hotham for a day or 2...
As for being friendly, I think the problem is that we do not expect pleasantry here. When you go up to a sales person or anyone for that matter, please start with a "Good morning/afternoon/evening" and a smile as well. I noticed that I was getting cold shoulders when I first gone there before I understand the need to be courteous. No "Excuse me" and rush in... Be patient. This is not SG anymore.
Last edited by Watcher; 11th August 2005 at 10:51 AM.
Oh forgot to add. If you are not too comfortable or familiar to drive our of the city, you can consider day trips to vineyards, Philip Island, etc This is particularly applicable if you travel alone or with someone else. It saves you the driving effort and cost of the car to go to these popular places. Especially if you want to go to the wineries and vineyards, please do take the day tours as drinking and driving are
Ah, food, my favorite subject
As you will be driving in the country (or even around the city), look for pubs (they call them "hotels" over there, not the 5-star, but local) ... free parking (mostly), and you can get an amazing counter meal (you don't actually sit at the counter, that was eons ago) for a decent price, usually $10-20 depending on what you order. Some are more high-end than others, but it's worth trying out.
That funny "keep left to turn right" thing is what I meant when I said "hook turn". Just follow the cars in front of you, and you won't go wrong. In general (in Melbourne), do not obstruct trams. Don't even bother driving in Sydney city, just catch the train everywhere. For an alternate view of the Harbour bridge and Opera House, head over to Kirribilli, or take a harbour cruise.
Considering a backpack trip to Sydney in a couple of weeks time ... Havent plan yet.
What are the must go? Also, anyone got any recommendation for a hostel near city ?
If anyone has recommended day tours to join, please post here ... thanks
Ha ha. Yep. There is a pub (with food and drinks) on the corner of Pelham, just off the tram towards Lygon St. The chicken Parmigiana for A$12-15 can kill! 1 guy >100kg tried to finish one in a seating and couldn't do it! I'm sure 2-3 people can take it for lunch...Originally Posted by ericp
If I'm not wrong, the reason for pubs that are also "hotels" is because westerners frequent pubs. It's a cultural thing. (Look at all the empty beer bottles littered everywhere on Sunday morning.) Hence, many budget hotels also have pubs in them. These pubs are more than just a bar counter serving drinks. They serve meals as well.Originally Posted by ericp
In the city, or just outside the city CBD, I can think of 3 examples, the Oxford Scholar's Hotel (directly opposite RMIT University building 12), the Exford Hotel (it seems to only serve drinks), the Melbourne International Backpackers' Hotel (it seems to serve light food instead of main meals).
The "hook turn" is literally describes the direction of your turn -- like a curved hook. The road sign says "right turn from left only". This square black-and-white sign is hung way up there -- on the tram electricity lines, say 6m above the road, and is often missed by inter-state visitors and overseas tourists. Trams blocked by cars which don't observe this rule are unforgivingly given an impatient horn (a clink-clink bell actually). It could be worse, like being part of a scrap metal heap which was your rented car.
I don't recommend that you follow the car in front of you. It's simple. You could be the first car to make the turn. So who do you follow? Look out for the sign.
Driving in Melbourne can be a headache to visitors/tourists. On some roads, you can drive on tram tracks (share the road), and on some, you can't. When a tram stops to pick up or put down passengers, you have to stop behind the tram. Failure to do so could result in passengers unforgivingly flashing you the middle-finger sign.
One thing I need to add. If you're taking pictures of people..be VERY discreet. Ppl as a whole there take a big exception to their privacy. AND, most important of all..don't take pictures of kids! No matter how cute they are. They are very SENSITIVE about that issue.
And (especially for sydney) at night, if you're taking pictures..do NOT bring a camera bag.
Bring a backpack or something that looks pretty ordinary, otherwise chances of getting mugged is rather much sooner or later. There was a case where some people had their equipment robbed in daylight at darling harbour for example.
Otherwise said, australia as a whole is a great landscape/ nature country for a photographer. As for culture/people wise, I find the asian countries much more receptive to work.
Continuing on the slight OT ... what I've heard (ie. it's hearsay, not researched fact) is that some obscure law only allowed hotels (with paying/staying guests) to sell alcohol, and from there, many pubs were set up with one or two rooms available for guests. I was told that if you walked into most pubs (even the famous Young & Jacksons on Swanston St), you will be able to get a room for the night at a good price. Haven't tried it, though.
And speaking of Young & Jacksons, do go in there, even if it's to ogle at Chloe. Just go in there, buy a pot of beer, and ask the bartender who Chloe is.