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    got people using iPhone6 to shoot wedding liao... so what do u people think of future DSLR?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exposure View Post
    got people using iPhone6 to shoot wedding liao... so what do u people think of future DSLR?
    You should start offering iphone wedding photography services and see how that pans out...

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    Photography equipment like dslr are.meant for working pros actually. They will still be mainstream for professional work. Which means they will still be around in 5 years.
    At lot of DSLRs are made to a price and are in the hands of (admittedly some times very competent) amateurs. The product lines offered reflect this span of users, from beginner to highly skilled and sought after 'pro'.

    DSLRs will never go away entirely, like medium format never entirely went away, the manufactures will just offer 'high end' variants only. There will be no such thing as an 'entry level' DSLR.

    BTW I have a Uni friend who shots almost exclusively in medium format - built his own dark room and all. His panorama shots (with a special pano camera) are mind blowing. But for every 1 of him, there are 100,000+ photographers out there who think the iphone6 camera is cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matthew View Post
    At lot of DSLRs are made to a price and are in the hands of (admittedly some times very competent) amateurs. The product lines offered reflect this span of users, from beginner to highly skilled and sought after 'pro'.

    DSLRs will never go away entirely, like medium format never entirely went away, the manufactures will just offer 'high end' variants only. There will be no such thing as an 'entry level' DSLR.

    BTW I have a Uni friend who shots almost exclusively in medium format - built his own dark room and all. His panorama shots (with a special pano camera) are mind blowing. But for every 1 of him, there are 100,000+ photographers out there who think the iphone6 camera is cool.
    There are a lot of professionals out there... and professionals do not only use top end gear only... As long as the market is there, the models will be there. I see APS-C crop DSLR cameras becoming less popular, and that is obvious in how the big names are positioning themselves, with most new DSLR cameras being FF and not APS-C. While the mirroless taking over the m43 and APS-C market. It is natural progression. But to say DSLR will disappear in 5 to 10 years... that is just simply stretching it. Lots of naysayers have come and gone... but here we are today, DSLRs are still the backbone of high image quality cameras market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    There are a lot of professionals out there... and professionals do not only use top end gear only... As long as the market is there, the models will be there. I see APS-C crop DSLR cameras becoming less popular, and that is obvious in how the big names are positioning themselves, with most new DSLR cameras being FF and not APS-C. While the mirroless taking over the m43 and APS-C market. It is natural progression. But to say DSLR will disappear in 5 to 10 years... that is just simply stretching it. Lots of naysayers have come and gone... but here we are today, DSLRs are still the backbone of high image quality cameras market.
    not medium format cameras ?

    DSLR FF cameras will become specialist cameras, like the medium format in the future. the market will probably be dominated by smaller cameras .

    maybe it's just me, seeing people (non professionals) carrying big cameras and lenses is like seeing people carrying a brick motorola phone of yesteryear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralf Winston View Post

    not medium format cameras ?

    DSLR FF cameras will become specialist cameras, like the medium format in the future. the market will probably be dominated by smaller cameras .

    maybe it's just me, seeing people (non professionals) carrying big cameras and lenses is like seeing people carrying a brick motorola phone of yesteryear.
    Backbone is still dslr. Not mf. You will very rarely see mf being used in the field especially outdoor work.

    And FF as specialist cameras? Highly unlikely, seeing how many hobbyists are jumping on FF. And in the professional market, FF dslr is pretty much standard. Go to any agency, sports or news outfit, FF dslr is pretty much staple. Not m43 not mirrorless. There are reasons why this is so.

    In the end who cares what others.carry? In the end only the image matters.
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    Within the next 10 years, I don't expect to see DSLRs disappear completely, but it's highly likely that the mirrorless market will take up an even larger share of the market.

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    Where accessibility, flexibility and product development are concerned, DSLR takes the cake. When I'm done using T/S lenses for my assignments, I can slap on that 35 or 50mm lens to do some street stuff. I can't do the same with my Sony P&S or Leica RF. Nor will I be able to do that with a Hassy H5D or an Alpa open platform. Forget about that iPhone.

    DSLRs will be around for some time.

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    A camera device is a Technology. And with all progressive technology milestone jump there will be a generation or two that can't visualize a new way of doing a fundamental function like take a photo. I think the technical concept of a Single Lens Reflex camera is about ready to be pass to a newer more effective way of doing the same basic function of taking a photo. A lot of technologies that is out in the scientific and tech world now ( or on the cusp of emerging unto the general population) are already poised to make that jump.

    As much as purists of one generation are willing to believe it or not, historically, I have witnessed decades before talking to die hard fans who could not or will not see the progressive progression of photography equipment as a tool. It is like the classic phrase "life could not get any better then this". But suddenly things just flip and tomorrow is here today. You can't say this flip happen without warning as already there are many signs of that already. it is just whether you are familair with the tech available today or we are just too comfortable to want that change to come any day soon for one reason or another. But that change was come and when it flip it only take like a year or two and before a purist could argue further against it.. it become the norm and no turning back. I recall that flip when I was still using a F100 and F5 and then the D70 and D100 came out Nikon. People made the switch without much fuss even among a lot of naysayer calling them a fad and it can't beat film. But there were too many plus points in favor of the DSLR to stop the progress. And look at where we are today. And today, technologies available is ready to kill the idea of a Single lens reflex mechanism and other "classic' components of what makes the FX or DX DSLR of today.

    The mirrorless concept is a step in the right direction that will ease the way in. It is not impossible to keep using your regular 35mm lens to them (example like the Sony R7) like what we did from the 35mm SLR to the DSLR bodies. Digital viewfinders are getting better each year with the present ones able to show you in REAL TIME the depth of field and exposure effect before you fire the trigger. The viewfinder resolution is like 1 Million pixel at this time? If I am not wrong. Imagine a year from now or what is alreafdy about to come out from some science lab. I am old but I like change and tech.. I can't wait for that day to come. I love my Pro Bodies over the years from film to my present day D4. But if the new pro is a small light body.. I am fine with that. Important is that it can take great quality photos after I have set up nicely my settings, compose the shot and press the shutter button. I think that future is here and that flip might be less then 5 years from now.

    To hell with smart phone camera...that will never be as good as a proper camera device with it's dedicated precise functionality.

    An emotional photo's success is not about having the best technical camera.... for example, taking a photo of your baby sleeping in a cute pose, you click the shot and looking at it at the shot, you notice motion blur as you were not holding it steady, slightly off focus, busy background and poor WB but you still love it. That is still fine to you as you can still relate with it on a emotional level heh...any camera or smartphone will do in that case.

    We are an emotional lot to our gear we are use to using but like it or not.. change will come. Not all change are good in life but I think for camera gear.. it is for the better for sure. Becasue that is the only reason camera companies can get you to keep spending your hard earn cash on them then women. ( well me anyway ) heheh
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    We are an emotional lot to our gear we are use to using but like it or not.. change will come. Not all change are good in life but I think for camera gear.. it is for the better for sure. Becasue that is the only reason camera companies can get you to keep spending your hard earn cash on them then women. ( well me anyway ) heheh
    Then I think you have to find the women who are prepared to spend their hard-earned cash on you instead.


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    Then I think you have to find the women who are prepared to spend their hard-earned cash on you instead.

    Where can get one ? =)

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolhirako View Post
    Where can get one ? =)
    You can find such rich aunties in wet market in the morning.

    Before you offer your help to carry her basket home ask whether her husband is at home or not.

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    No idea why D-SLRs are being aimed as soon-to-be-extinct.

    Nothing to do with the medium of viewfinder system, more of the design and the ability for manufacturers to balance between size, weight & ergonomics. Of course in this case the mirror-box is the limiting factor. But with the 6D & D750, I think it is not impossible to keep FF SLR in a small package.

    A7 is wonderful, but it is to me a pain to hold. The system & mount seems to be originally design with APS-C in mind (imho), the lenses are too long and unwieldly. Mirrorless consumers aren't connoiseur-type rangefinder users who prefer small fixed primes. Consumers demand zooms, and any decent zoom has to juggle between actual size and aperture size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    Then I think you have to find the women who are prepared to spend their hard-earned cash on you instead.

    No thanks.. at my age I am too smart for women to take their nonsense over my own nonsense heheh I'll keep to my mountain bike, cameras, pc gamming and computers/tech toys any day. The "women" design has not been upgraded for thousands of years hahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by surrephoto View Post
    No idea why D-SLRs are being aimed as soon-to-be-extinct.

    Nothing to do with the medium of viewfinder system, more of the design and the ability for manufacturers to balance between size, weight & ergonomics. Of course in this case the mirror-box is the limiting factor. But with the 6D & D750, I think it is not impossible to keep FF SLR in a small package.

    A7 is wonderful, but it is to me a pain to hold. The system & mount seems to be originally design with APS-C in mind (imho), the lenses are too long and unwieldly. Mirrorless consumers aren't connoiseur-type rangefinder users who prefer small fixed primes. Consumers demand zooms, and any decent zoom has to juggle between actual size and aperture size.
    The a7 is NOT perfect. I never claimed it was.. but it's general concept direction is in the right direction.. You can not just look at for example the hand holding anatomy and figure that is bad start. There are other aspects of mirrorless that are good starts plus other aspects found in other brands, type or models of cameras, types of component..etc on top of understand existing technology used compared to what is available but yet to be included or emerging that can take over those obstacles you talk. The final design might well not even be a mirrorless that you think you know. And it does not mean it has to be small and dainty looking.

    Just by improving for example ISO sensitive of say 500,000 to the same quality and grain of ISO 100. That along can transform how lens length/weight construction can take a dramatic change to length and weight, rethink your shutter speed to F/stop combination including lens element construction ( like what we saw with fx to dx) to the type of photos you can now take. I can't wait for it to come. I am not surprise it might be earlier then 5 years which I predict when I went back to read some of the tech news.

    But today there are upgrades you can gain to take better photos... which is not taken advantage of with their expensive DSLRs.

    LEARNING TO USE ALL THE FUNCTIONALITY OF THE CAMERAS AND PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE.
    A good photo's 45% you, 45% practice & 10% equipment. A bad photo share the same ratio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exposure View Post
    got people using iPhone6 to shoot wedding liao... so what do u people think of future DSLR?
    The future lenses of DSLR can extend and vibrate for a happy good sensation.

    Can iphone 6 do that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    The future lenses of DSLR can extend and vibrate for a happy good sensation.

    Can iphone 6 do that?
    wah success leh you... hehehe
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    Quote Originally Posted by sammy888 View Post
    wah success leh you... hehehe
    But don't hold the future dslr too near to the face in case of it.......

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    Or let women borrow it heh
    A good photo's 45% you, 45% practice & 10% equipment. A bad photo share the same ratio.

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    A good photo's 45% you, 45% practice & 10% equipment. A bad photo share the same ratio.

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