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    Default Print not aligned to Softcopy

    Hello,

    I made a 1800 x 1200px picture intend to print at 4R at the regular Print Shop.
    Under Photoshop, the size is stated as 6" x 4" @300dpi.

    The image consist of 10mm of White Border along the 4 edges.
    But when i print it out at the Print Shop,
    On the 4R paper, all the 4 borders was reduced to 2mm only, instead of 10mm.
    In other words, the image becomes 'bigger'.

    Any idea what went wrong ?
    Changing the resolution from the default 314dpi to 300dpi should not contribute to this problem rite ?


    Rgds

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    Default Re: Print not aligned to Softcopy

    Here's one plausible explanation.

    Photo lab printers that use traditional light sensitive, develop-in-chemistry paper project your digital file via loads of LEDs onto the paper
    below. To allow some margin of error for the positioning of the paper, your image is projected at a size that is a little bit bigger than the piece of paper it will be printed on.

    Therefore some of the image on all 4 sides will be lost. In general, you’re talking about 1-3% of your picture. This is not a lot but when you have important detail at the edge of your image it can certainly have a negative impact.

    http://askville.amazon.com/printing-...uestId=7072879
    If you really need the photo as designed, print larger (e.g., on A4/6R paper) and trim. Or check with the photo lab — Some have the service to add white borders, but I'm not sure if they are able to customise the size of the border.
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    Default Re: Print not aligned to Softcopy

    I explained this many years ago.

    you want to have perfect borders, just ask the shop to print with borders.
    if you want to create own borders, there won't be perfect fit, even though you can ask for "fit in".
    the thinner the border, the misaligned will be even more obvious,
    one way to cheat is to create very thick borders, something like 10-15mm borders, so 1 or 2 mm out won't be very noticeable.

    beside, if you create your own borders, you need to run some test prints, and go back to photoshop to adjust your borders till you find perfect setting.
    BUT.... you will need to stick with this labs from now on, because other places and machines won't be given you the same results from the same files.

    so it is pretty pointless to create your own border on 4R photos.
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    Default Re: Print not aligned to Softcopy

    Thanks Guys,

    Actually i put 8 passport size(45x35mm) onto the 4R image.
    If its perfect fit, each passport photo will be exactly 45x35mm after cut.
    Now its 46x36mm due to the 'enlarging effect'.

    Looks like i have to 'Trial n Error',
    maybe increase the canvass by 0.2" per edge.


    Rgds

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    Default Re: Print not aligned to Softcopy

    I thought the print shops aren't too keen to print 1 x 4R with multiple passport images inside
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    Default Re: Print not aligned to Softcopy

    Quote Originally Posted by human1969 View Post
    Thanks Guys,

    Actually i put 8 passport size(45x35mm) onto the 4R image.
    If its perfect fit, each passport photo will be exactly 45x35mm after cut.
    Now its 46x36mm due to the 'enlarging effect'.

    Looks like i have to 'Trial n Error',
    maybe increase the canvass by 0.2" per edge.


    Rgds
    Quote Originally Posted by ZerocoolAstra View Post
    I thought the print shops aren't too keen to print 1 x 4R with multiple passport images inside
    Yes, some labs will charge you $5 per print once they see this.

    the only way to get away with it is using self service printing kiosk or they know you are a professional.
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    Default Re: Print not aligned to Softcopy

    Quote Originally Posted by human1969 View Post
    Thanks Guys,

    Actually i put 8 passport size(45x35mm) onto the 4R image.
    If its perfect fit, each passport photo will be exactly 45x35mm after cut.
    Now its 46x36mm due to the 'enlarging effect'.

    Looks like i have to 'Trial n Error',
    maybe increase the canvass by 0.2" per edge.

    Rgds
    Anyway, if you followed the passport photos guidelines properly, in particular this one:

    (iii) Taken with the image of your face measuring between 25 mm and 35 mm from chin to crown of head;

    http://www.ica.gov.sg/apples/faq/photo_image.html
    You should have enough room to easily trim the additional 1mm without affecting the guideline stated.
    Either trim 1mm off the top or bottom, or trim 0.5mm off the top, and 0.5mm off the bottom.

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    Default Re: Print not aligned to Softcopy

    Quote Originally Posted by kandinsky View Post
    Anyway, if you followed the passport photos guidelines properly, in particular this one:



    You should have enough room to easily trim the additional 1mm without affecting the guideline stated.
    Either trim 1mm off the top or bottom, or trim 0.5mm off the top, and 0.5mm off the bottom.
    this is workable.
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    Default Re: Print not aligned to Softcopy

    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    Yes, some labs will charge you $5 per print once they see this.

    the only way to get away with it is using self service printing kiosk or they know you are a professional.

    This sounds so familiar.
    I remember when i did that in the early days in 1 of the Print shop,
    the lady didnt make a fuss, and even offer to cut the passphoto photo for me.
    Unfortunately, this is seldom the case.

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    Default Re: Print not aligned to Softcopy

    Quote Originally Posted by kandinsky View Post
    Anyway, if you followed the passport photos guidelines properly, in particular this one:



    You should have enough room to easily trim the additional 1mm without affecting the guideline stated.
    Either trim 1mm off the top or bottom, or trim 0.5mm off the top, and 0.5mm off the bottom.

    Yes, that's the current work-around.
    Just that the alignment marking for cutting doesnt line up perfectly now
    Will enlarge 2/4% more for the next print.

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