View Poll Results: Why do you NOT want a DSLR?

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  • Too bulky

    352 53.50%
  • Quality is not good enough

    74 11.25%
  • Presence of Focal Length Multiplier

    88 13.37%
  • Can't do video

    95 14.44%
  • Relatively low continuous shooting speed

    19 2.89%
  • Don't want the hassle of postprocessing

    93 14.13%
  • Storage media issues

    52 7.90%
  • Battery issues

    49 7.45%
  • Others

    185 28.12%
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    To be honest I am not sure how often it happens either ;-)

    My wife shoots an ol' Pentax MX Fully Manual. We spent a few days in Hong Kong Last year.. Took a trip up to the Big Buhdda... Not sure if her roll did not wind properly or what.. But she got 0 photo's out... She was very disappointed.. Probably not so much an issue in today more modern film camera's however.

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    Hmmm......... actually, after 4 years, nope haven't experienced that(touch wood).

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    Originally posted by Bedpan
    No worries Kit..

    Have added a few pics..

    http://208.231.0.96/bedpan/S2/thumbs_d/thumbs_p.html

    Thanks for the link. Indeed, I see some images with great potentials.

    Here's some of mine http://www3.photosig.com/userphotos....rtfolioId=6252 (Putting on the shameless sheild)

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    Originally posted by Bedpan
    To be honest I am not sure how often it happens either ;-)

    My wife shoots an ol' Pentax MX Fully Manual. We spent a few days in Hong Kong Last year.. Took a trip up to the Big Buhdda... Not sure if her roll did not wind properly or what.. But she got 0 photo's out... She was very disappointed.. Probably not so much an issue in today more modern film camera's however.

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    Its time she get an auto camera

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    Originally posted by Red Dawn
    a more coherent argument for film would be the ability to scan them into your PC and have both advantages of physical media and digital backup.(then again u're back to digital).

    i've seen no one put forth such an argument yet.
    I did originally...I keep a lot more stock clients being able to deliver digital and physical images. If I suddenly said "no more slides, I can only deliver digital images to you" I would lose the majority of my clients, as well as not be able to enter PSA, FIAP, and other salons annualy. Another personal reason I stick with physical is one of fine art and customer perception (and a little truth). A B&W handprint on FB paper or a cibachrome print from a tranny still has more sell value than an equivalent inkjet print. Typicaly, I sell limited edition B&W paper or cibachrome 12x16 framed and mounted prints for around US$300 each and unlimited edition A4 inkjet prints framed for US$30.

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    I have tried to convince her.. Hard though as she is the one who introduced me to photography... Her next camera will in all likelyhood be another manual.. A Pentax ME... Her Dream camera :-)

    Mike

    Originally posted by Kit


    Its time she get an auto camera

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    Heh!! You 2 are a good mix actually. Extremes of both sides

    I just noticed you stay in BB area? Can meet up when I come back. I stay pretty close by, at Bukit Timah. Got to check out the S2.

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    uhhhhh.. I should update my profile :-)

    Moved.. Now over in the Kallang Area... But certainly welcome to meet up sometime. Maybe join one of the photo outings, or SEEDS if you go to them.

    My wifes amazes me with her abilities though.. Light meter has not worked on here camera for a number of years now. She sets the camera manually by eye.. And does a damn good job of it to... Every now and then she will ask me what the S2 is suggesting... Usually she has the same settings..

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    Originally posted by Kit
    Heh!! You 2 are a good mix actually. Extremes of both sides

    I just noticed you stay in BB area? Can meet up when I come back. I stay pretty close by, at Bukit Timah. Got to check out the S2.

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    Originally posted by Bedpan
    uhhhhh.. I should update my profile :-)

    Moved.. Now over in the Kallang Area... But certainly welcome to meet up sometime. Maybe join one of the photo outings, or SEEDS if you go to them.

    My wifes amazes me with her abilities though.. Light meter has not worked on here camera for a number of years now. She sets the camera manually by eye.. And does a damn good job of it to... Every now and then she will ask me what the S2 is suggesting... Usually she has the same settings..

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    Oh really?!?!?! I've gt to find out how she does that!!! Its a handy thing to know actually. However, understanding exposure is not as easy as some people think its is.

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    Originally posted by Bedpan
    Do you really think that 1 dead pixel, 10, 20, or 50 dead pixels is really going to make much differnce on todays SLR's? 6 million pixels, 12 million pixels... Its a drop in the bucket so to say. And its very easy to fix. With dead pixels they occur in the same spot all the time, you know the results right away after you take a shot. Ever had a bad role of film? Did not roll properly, jams etc? At least with a CCD, dead pixels or not you alway know what to expect.

    Mike

    In 15 years, never. Until that fateful week when I was in Vegas and did not load the film into my FE properly. So, frame counter exceeded 38. Then I went oops. Opened back, there it was. Film leader came off the takeup spool.

    ALWAYS CHECK, CHECK, CHECK if the film is loaded properly if you are using a manual camera.

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    Originally posted by Kit


    Oh really?!?!?! I've gt to find out how she does that!!! Its a handy thing to know actually. However, understanding exposure is not as easy as some people think its is.
    I can do that indoors now. I get the correct exposure by eye for say, 80-90% of the time indoors. My eyes are calibrated to ISO 400. heh.

    No, I am not boasting. If you shot enough and actually took note of the exposure, this skill can be attained.

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    I can do that indoors now. I get the correct exposure by eye for say, 80-90% of the time indoors. My eyes are calibrated to ISO 400. heh.

    No, I am not boasting. If you shot enough and actually took note of the exposure, this skill can be attained.

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    otherwise just shoot RAW and postprocess

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    Originally posted by erwinx


    otherwise just shoot RAW and postprocess
    But if you are off by say, 4 stops?

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    Originally posted by ckiang


    I can do that indoors now. I get the correct exposure by eye for say, 80-90% of the time indoors. My eyes are calibrated to ISO 400. heh.

    No, I am not boasting. If you shot enough and actually took note of the exposure, this skill can be attained.

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    True, I've noticed this pattern too but still far from being a walking light meter.

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    Originally posted by Kit


    True, I've noticed this pattern too but still far from being a walking light meter.
    Walking light meter? Hmm I do know of someone who carries a light meter around. :P

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    Default Re: Re: Re: Too expensive.

    Originally posted by sriram
    I don't know how you did your calculations, and where you go for prints, but here's what I spend:
    And therein lies the problem. Has it occured to Sriram or Bedpan that it's entirely possible that both of you shoot what you both say you shoot? The two of you are not mutually exclusive, and certainly the rest of the photographic world doesn't do exactly as you do.

    Bedpan got his calculations from his shooting style. He goes for prints where he goes for his prints. What's so difficult that you don't know how he arrived at all that. And vice versa.

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    Although I think I worded it poorly, The point I was trying to make is as follows..

    Depending on how you break down the price of the camera, resell value etc... It should only take 100 - 200 rolls of film for the new DSLR's to pay for themselves. At least thats how I justified it to myself ;-)

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    And therein lies the problem. Has it occured to Sriram or Bedpan that it's entirely possible that both of you shoot what you both say you shoot? The two of you are not mutually exclusive, and certainly the rest of the photographic world doesn't do exactly as you do.

    Bedpan got his calculations from his shooting style. He goes for prints where he goes for his prints. What's so difficult that you don't know how he arrived at all that. And vice versa.

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    When using a digital camera vs a film camera, one's shooting habits tend to change a bit (or a lot). Basically risk taking goes up a bit (or a lot, depending on your level of discipline).

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    Originally posted by OpenLens
    I did originally...I keep a lot more stock clients being able to deliver digital and physical images. If I suddenly said "no more slides, I can only deliver digital images to you" I would lose the majority of my clients, as well as not be able to enter PSA, FIAP, and other salons annualy.
    And as I said originally, how many clients do you lose by not shooting digitally? No wait, you wouldn't know because you've never had those clients.

    Yes, you keep those clients by being able to produce both digital and physical. But as I have also said before in response to you, shooting digital doesn't mean you stop shooting film. Your argument works brilliantly for someone who forsakes film for digital, but not as an argument against digital per se.

    Salon photography. Joking right?

    Another personal reason I stick with physical is one of fine art and customer perception (and a little truth). A B&W handprint on FB paper or a cibachrome print from a tranny still has more sell value than an equivalent inkjet print. Typicaly, I sell limited edition B&W paper or cibachrome 12x16 framed and mounted prints for around US$300 each and unlimited edition A4 inkjet prints framed for US$30.

    Yes there is little doubt that the perception is that a B&W handprint is worth more than a handprinted piece. But you have to realise the South East Asian market as well. The fine art market is dead, and photography never really fit into fine art comfortably in the first place anyway. The vast majority of photographers are not fine art photographers, which renders that little argument moot. Again, just because you're a fine art photographer doesn't mean the rest of the world is. Sad to say, the majority of the world don't have a big name website to fall back on and onto which to anchor their fine art sales to. Another dose of the emperor's new clothes. If you and I took the same photo and sold it the same way, you'd get US$300 for it, I wouldn't get that amount...

    Furthermore, your comparison is US$300 for a limited edition print handprint, approximately A3, and US$30 for an A4 inkjet.

    Hello, apples to apples please? For starters, you've got the paper sizes wrong. Allowing for double the paper size, the inkjet print should be worth US$60. Given that things that are bigger tend to cost disproportionately more, say a reasonable US$70.

    Now more importantly, why are you comparing a limited edition handprint with an UNlimited edition inkjet?!!?! Sorry, but I'd say US$70 for an unlimited edition commercial print of the Mona Lisa would be a bit on the high side. I'd pay, maybe, 10% of that. But how much do you think the limited edition (1...) Mona Lisa would fetch. Far, far, far more than US$300.

    The point of that is, you can't even begin to compare limited edition stuff with unlimited edition stuff.

    And I suppose you belong to the group of people who also believe in destroying their negs/slides to ensure the limited edition really is limited? Otherwise, aside from lay perception, there really isn't much difference in the limitedness or unlimitedness of a neg/slide or an inkjet.

    Not to mention you don't shoot digital right? So in which case, your inkjets are all pictures made in film, and should theoretically be just as limited edition as your "true" limited editions. It's just how limited you decide to make them. And as you've gone and made them unlimited...

    Confusing? Intentional, I assure you.

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    How to make an inkjet print "Limited Edition"

    1. Shoot as per normal. Your choice of film or digital.

    2. Scan if film at desired resolution.

    3. Tweak/adjust as needed.

    4. Print desired # of copies on your favourite inkjet / paper combo

    5. DELETE the scanned image.

    6. If necessary, DESTROY original film.



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    Originally posted by ckiang
    How to make an inkjet print "Limited Edition"

    1. Shoot as per normal. Your choice of film or digital.

    2. Scan if film at desired resolution.

    3. Tweak/adjust as needed.

    4. Print desired # of copies on your favourite inkjet / paper combo

    5. DELETE the scanned image.

    6. If necessary, DESTROY original film.



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