Last edited by He An; 28th August 2014 at 11:56 AM.
Bus enthusiasts don't sit around for 30 minutes mar.
Enforcement wise, it is not practical for SMRT to hire 20 staff to just sit around the bus interchange to keep a lookout for such ongoings.
Now it's about personal rights and entitlements vs company policies. If they have informed you that you cannot film/shoot there and asked you to leave, why are you standing firm on your rights as an individual?
If they let this slide and just allow it, you might never know if one day, someone uses the same reason as you to film other bus interchanges for terror purposes. At least they did their due diligence. Are you going to fault them on trying their best to ensure public security?
Here, the rights to take pictures are already granted based on the FAQ in the website. The more it is questionable what has been done by the various people from SMRT and security staff.
Talk about security. I think more like "link" sure can pass all security. Like the recent couple taking their wedding photo at ndp rehearsal. I was wth, like that also can? If TS got "link" with smrt, a big bag with equipments also boleh. Too bad TS dont and so, got chased away.
Only Sony device mostly, haha!
how old are you again? and how relaxed are you about things? you seem pretty anal about stuff.
i seem to recall that you mentioned once that you're an older gentleman. so, are you more relaxed about stuff or really, really pissy when things happen
"the rights to take pictures are already granted based on the FAQ in the website" That's the mod's claim but that does not mean you do NOT do due diligent to the other condition ALSO STATED in the FAQ you quoted which is to write in and wait two weeks for a reply to the request. Do not pick and choose what you want to write just to win an argument please. I have seen and have seen many others shooting the occasional photos in the station or train ad hoc quck snappies without problems but if you start to take out tripod and spend time shooting proper shots within their premises then that is really up to them as you DID NOT FULFILL their stated conditions. In that case they have the right to ask you to stop.
As for staff working on the ground doing security at their pay grade, they might have made errors in how they handle this but I can only GUESS it would be to not allow photography as an over-arching protocol and leave the decision making to the upper management. That's a control protocol to eliminate operational issues on the working floor. That is something every organization does if you have no idea about that, that is just because you don't know better. The fact that you ONLY have to write in to request if you have more then a passing interest to snap photos, I don't see why that so hard to do? What is your rights???? What is THEIR RIGHTS THEN? Your individual rights TRIUMPH everyone elses including other folks int he station who you order to move aside as they block a shot for example? Common courtesy how about that?
That's why I have resorted to scolding bad Singapore manners when i am out in the public or worst overseas. This over importance of SELF and too much HOLLYWOOD movies about rights and freedom. Such as disproportion of what that means these days and abuse of the word. Wait till you go overseas in the so call LAND OF THE FREE... so many places I was told to erase my photos and threaten with arrest just for a simple few shot of a famous building as I walk if there was a guard. ( NY is the worst though it has improve now that 911 is further along in their memories). Here you can still write in and some of you want to complain. tsk tsk tsk.
This is Clubsnap and is well regarded as far as I know to be the place to go for a lot of helpful information but as a representative of this place like over 10 yrs, it is only right we give the right information in the interest of photography, good practices and well guided to the facts.
Last edited by sammy888; 29th August 2014 at 12:06 PM.
1) Shooting for personal usage is allowed as per your attached image. This is part of general rights of individuals to take pictures in the public. Based on Common Law this does not need any specific law or regulation to approve it. The fact that it is not forbidden is sufficient here. Limitations of these rights (e.g. in certain areas, buildings, occasions) need to be clearly specified and justified. Which means: any staff requesting a photographer to pack and go without giving a proper reason is overstepping the line. A reason has facts, not some generic phrases or even based on implied allegations of wrong-doings. I'm sure you have seen the various cases reported here.
2) For any other projects it is clearly stated on the FAQ and I don't understand your ranting here. If different staff give different responses then this issues needs to be addressed. To me, this is not something about protocol or processes. (To many people hide behind processes for whatever reasons..) It's about the knowledge and empowerment of the staff acting on the ground to handle such situations. Here is the root cause of this problem and similar cases we have seen in the past. (Agreed, a few selfish guys are also in between.)
I understand your comments about US and Hollywood and stuff, but that's a bit far fetched here. I come from a country where we believe in a reasonable balance between individual rights and the interests of the society. I acknowledge the interests for safety and security of companies and the country. But this must be transparent and the respective staff need to act responsible and consistent.
And me ranting? When the title of this thread already is with the word RANT in it??? heheheh... and i i thought I was the one with eye problems just back form the doctor's office.
Last edited by sammy888; 29th August 2014 at 06:19 PM.
I believe we already said enough and shared enough. To TS, simply put, I agree with Sammy888. Don't take things for granted. Although you are a student, the onus is on you to check before embarking on a project like this. Just FYI, even filming at HDB void decks, neighbourhood, buildings etc, require rightful permission from the FMs.
So, like you said, let this be a lesson learnt and make sure you always check and write in for permission.
The security had no right to take down your ic info. You already gave up your rights when you handed them your ic.
Why didn't you keep shooting until the police arrives? What could they have done? Drag you out? I doubt so.
Last edited by christeo; 29th August 2014 at 11:24 PM.
Keep it civil guys.