Help with lense capability Canon v Sony

Cyrus · 29th July 2005

Sorry to ask such a dumb question but I have a short window of opportunity to pick up a really great deal on a EOS 350D. I am comparing the zoom capability of the add-on lense with the canon to the standard lense of the Sony F828 (which i already have)

CANON EOS 350D SILVER + 18-55mm + 55-200mm TWIN LENS 8.0MP

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Sony specs are on this page... I just have trouble working out how they compare?
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...ny_dscf828.asp

Thanks very much for any help you can give me.

Cyrus

n0d3 · 29th July 2005

First of all the 350D is a dSLR, meaning that you can swap the lenses, its totally different from Sony's prosumer F828. If you're just comparing the zooms of the kit lens vs that Sony model, the 350D's range is from 18-55mm (29-88mm after FLM), just like you stated. While the Sony's zoom range is 55-200mm.

Cyrus · 29th July 2005

thanks mate, so at the risk of sounding even dumber, that would mean that the Sony has a lense with about 4x the zoom of the canon. is that correct?

Cyrus

Ah Pao · 29th July 2005

Well, don't make the mistake of thinking that zoom factor is everything.
Most of the time you'll probably be using the 18-55mm lens (~28-80mm in film eqv.) range for most things, unless you are going into action sports or wildlife where you'll need longer focal lengths.

If the price between the 350D and F828 is comparable, personally I'll recommend the 350D for versatility and expandability. However, be warned that they are of different leagues altogether, and you'll need to adjust yourself using a DSLR if all you've been using are compact digicams.

350D gives higher ISO range, and its larger sensor size means lower noise for the same image produced. However, you'll lose out on video capture, and the 350D kit lens is slower than the F828 (although that shouldn't be a problem since you can upgrade to a faster lens in the future).

...and btw, the F828's zoom range is 28-200mm, according to DPreview.

Snow_One · 29th July 2005

compare just the lens?

canon :- 2 lens so range is 18-200 x 1.6 (28.8-320mm) with f3.5 to f5.6?

sony: 28-200 f2.8 lens

you decide.

Other factors to consider:

1) size/weight difference
2) live preview

Some like DSLR for the high iso but this guy who wrote this prefer his f828 to 300d, check it out! http://http://www.luminous-landscape...sm-08-24.shtml

holeinone · 29th July 2005

Originally Posted by n0d3

First of all the 350D is a dSLR, meaning that you can swap the lenses, its totally different from Sony's prosumer F828. If you're just comparing the zooms of the kit lens vs that Sony model, the 350D's range is from 18-55mm (29-88mm after FLM), just like you stated. While the Sony's zoom range is 55-200mm.

Correction. The F828 has a zoom range of 28-200 film equivalent, as it has already taken into account the multiplier effect. That means it's like using a 28-200 zoom lens on a full frame camera like the 1Ds.

Cyrus · 29th July 2005

Thanks guys this information is great. I keep swaying back and forth on whether to stay with the Sony or go for the 350D. If I had the funds I have both, but I can only have one.

I'm only considering the 350D for the benefit of adding on extra zoom and it's extra features in the studio - which is where I'm heading nowadays. Studio model shots etc.

I love the Sony F828 but I know that the extra features of the 350D would top off the studio shots, plus the lack of shutter lag etc is a real appeal to me for sporting shots.

I'll have to think it over tonight, as tomorrow is my last day for the deal I was offered.

Thanks again guys

Cyrus

n0d3 · 29th July 2005

Originally Posted by holeinone

Correction. The F828 has a zoom range of 28-200 film equivalent, as it has already taken into account the multiplier effect. That means it's like using a 28-200 zoom lens on a full frame camera like the 1Ds.

I know, I just lifted the zoom range from his first post, I didn't bother to check out the website. So I mistakenly typed it out as 55-200mm instead of 28-200mm.

GitS · 29th July 2005

er, isn't the 828's CCD way nosier than the 350D's?

goering · 29th July 2005

The biggest plus for the Sony is the nice 28-200mm zoom range

However, I find this camera a little too noisy and way too much purple fringing. The 350D has excellent noise, controls, buffer, shutter lag and the other dslr advantages but the downside is that you may have to carry more lenses and invest more in lenses

I would personally take the 350d anytime

n0d3 · 29th July 2005

Originally Posted by GitS

er, isn't the 828's CCD way nosier than the 350D's?

Yeah, it has already been mentioned by Ah Pao. And the 350D uses a CMOS sensor manufactured by Canon.

holeinone · 29th July 2005

Many people discount the F828 becos of the noise and purple fringing issues. Well, the 828, being one of the 1st if not the 1st prosumer cam that has 8 MP, will obviously not be able to compare with the current crop of sensors.

But by no means is it a bad cam. Till now, I still swear by it, even though I am using DSLR with L lenses and what not. Why? The performance is great and the Carl Zeiss optics yield pics that are very sharp, so long as you avoid its weaknesses, like shooting at high ISOs and at extreme high contrast subjects. Taken at low ISOs, the shots are very clean and sharp and colours are good. When you develop the pics into prints, you will really appreciate how well this cam performs. The details will not lose out to a DSLR.

Plus it can do many things that a DSLR can't.... eg. shooting high quality movie clips, shooting overhead while still being able to see what you are shooting due to the swivel function, shooting macros at extremely short distances like 2cm without the need for a dedicated macro lens etc

Thermalcoil · 29th July 2005

i tends to agree with holeinone, though the 350D may be able to use interchangeable lens, but thats involve lots of money too, and lots of money if you go for fast lens. unless of course you have that type of budget. Give the high zoom range of the F828, its more versatile at a lower cost.

also, the function thats not available in Dslr as stated.

lastly, there is also the question whether the user is able to fully utilize the capability of the F828 or not.

Inimatad · 29th July 2005

Well...Just want to state my 2 cents worth here as I have a F828 and 10D.
The Sony is quite decent when you're doing outdoors shoot and all. ISO64 is very handy.
The plus point for the 350D is probably when you want to shoot indoors or in low-light. The DSLR wins hands down. Sony is pretty noisy for anything above ISO400 and I believe the 350D can handle at least up to ISO800 with minimum "Noise Ninja-ing".

So again for Cyrus - you must weigh your pros and cons carefully before jumping on the DSLR bandwagon.

Cyrus · 30th July 2005

Thanks again for all of your valuable advice guys. I actually bought the 350D today and am working talking to the wife into letting me keep both the Sony and the Canon.

Now I've got some serious reading to do with the Canon manual.

Cheers
Cyrus

holeinone · 30th July 2005

Tell her that there are others who are also keeping it even after they bought DSLR...

Inimatad · 31st July 2005

Originally Posted by holeinone

Tell her that there are others who are also keeping it even after they bought DSLR...

I agree with you.
If it doesn't work - get her interested in photography and buy her a camera.
I now have a 10D, F828 and Minolta A-1(hers).

Good luck !

29th July 2005	#1
Cyrus Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Australia Posts: 102	Help with lense capability Canon v Sony Sorry to ask such a dumb question but I have a short window of opportunity to pick up a really great deal on a EOS 350D. I am comparing the zoom capability of the add-on lense with the canon to the standard lense of the Sony F828 (which i already have) CANON EOS 350D SILVER + 18-55mm + 55-200mm TWIN LENS 8.0MP v's Sony specs are on this page... I just have trouble working out how they compare? http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec...ny_dscf828.asp Thanks very much for any help you can give me. Cyrus

29th July 2005	#12
holeinone Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tampines Posts: 1,316	Many people discount the F828 becos of the noise and purple fringing issues. Well, the 828, being one of the 1st if not the 1st prosumer cam that has 8 MP, will obviously not be able to compare with the current crop of sensors. But by no means is it a bad cam. Till now, I still swear by it, even though I am using DSLR with L lenses and what not. Why? The performance is great and the Carl Zeiss optics yield pics that are very sharp, so long as you avoid its weaknesses, like shooting at high ISOs and at extreme high contrast subjects. Taken at low ISOs, the shots are very clean and sharp and colours are good. When you develop the pics into prints, you will really appreciate how well this cam performs. The details will not lose out to a DSLR. Plus it can do many things that a DSLR can't.... eg. shooting high quality movie clips, shooting overhead while still being able to see what you are shooting due to the swivel function, shooting macros at extremely short distances like 2cm without the need for a dedicated macro lens etc __________________ There is no life without fast cars....

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holeinone Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Tampines Posts: 1,316	Tell her that there are others who are also keeping it even after they bought DSLR... __________________ There is no life without fast cars....

29th July 2005	#2
n0d3 Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,494	First of all the 350D is a dSLR, meaning that you can swap the lenses, its totally different from Sony's prosumer F828. If you're just comparing the zooms of the kit lens vs that Sony model, the 350D's range is from 18-55mm (29-88mm after FLM), just like you stated. While the Sony's zoom range is 55-200mm.

29th July 2005	#4
Ah Pao Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,578	Well, don't make the mistake of thinking that zoom factor is everything. Most of the time you'll probably be using the 18-55mm lens (~28-80mm in film eqv.) range for most things, unless you are going into action sports or wildlife where you'll need longer focal lengths. If the price between the 350D and F828 is comparable, personally I'll recommend the 350D for versatility and expandability. However, be warned that they are of different leagues altogether, and you'll need to adjust yourself using a DSLR if all you've been using are compact digicams. 350D gives higher ISO range, and its larger sensor size means lower noise for the same image produced. However, you'll lose out on video capture, and the 350D kit lens is slower than the F828 (although that shouldn't be a problem since you can upgrade to a faster lens in the future). ...and btw, the F828's zoom range is 28-200mm, according to DPreview.

29th July 2005	#5
Snow_One Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 113	compare just the lens? canon :- 2 lens so range is 18-200 x 1.6 (28.8-320mm) with f3.5 to f5.6? sony: 28-200 f2.8 lens you decide. Other factors to consider: 1) size/weight difference 2) live preview Some like DSLR for the high iso but this guy who wrote this prefer his f828 to 300d, check it out! http://http://www.luminous-landscape...sm-08-24.shtml

29th July 2005	#9
GitS Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 784	er, isn't the 828's CCD way nosier than the 350D's?

29th July 2005	#10
goering Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 435	The biggest plus for the Sony is the nice 28-200mm zoom range However, I find this camera a little too noisy and way too much purple fringing. The 350D has excellent noise, controls, buffer, shutter lag and the other dslr advantages but the downside is that you may have to carry more lenses and invest more in lenses I would personally take the 350d anytime

29th July 2005	#13
Thermalcoil New Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 17	i tends to agree with holeinone, though the 350D may be able to use interchangeable lens, but thats involve lots of money too, and lots of money if you go for fast lens. unless of course you have that type of budget. Give the high zoom range of the F828, its more versatile at a lower cost. also, the function thats not available in Dslr as stated. lastly, there is also the question whether the user is able to fully utilize the capability of the F828 or not.

29th July 2005	#14
Inimatad Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Sembawang Posts: 186	Well...Just want to state my 2 cents worth here as I have a F828 and 10D. The Sony is quite decent when you're doing outdoors shoot and all. ISO64 is very handy. The plus point for the 350D is probably when you want to shoot indoors or in low-light. The DSLR wins hands down. Sony is pretty noisy for anything above ISO400 and I believe the 350D can handle at least up to ISO800 with minimum "Noise Ninja-ing". So again for Cyrus - you must weigh your pros and cons carefully before jumping on the DSLR bandwagon.