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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    It is even more difficult to make an airliner disappear. Maybe the Russians think that if the Americans can bring down one MH without repercussions, so can they. We need the referee to give 2 red cards.
    The Americans and Russians have both shot down airliners during the Cold War. This more recent one seems to be done by the rebels though. Though the curious thing is that I haven't seen pictures of the Rebels' radar assets.

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    From Bloomberg this morning:

    Missile Hit Malaysian Jet in Ukraine, U.S. Officials Say


    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-07-17/missile-hit-malaysian-jet-in-ukraine-u-s-officials-say.html

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    I would ask people not to blame Malaysian airlines or anyone related to the airlines for this.

    A Singapore airlines flight and Indian Airlines flight were just 25 km of MH17 when this happened. It was pure bad luck and horrible attack which caused this. Blame it on the people who fired that missile. If they had locked on another plane it would have been the same result which is death of innocent people.

    http://www.straitstimes.com/news/asi...sq351-was-abou

    RIP for all innocent people who lost their lives.
    Last edited by ronniegogs; 18th July 2014 at 02:43 PM.

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    If this is true they will try to hide the details now. The commander did tweet about the attack then deleted it.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...t-fly-sky.html

    The unverified transcript was posted online by the Kiev Post newspaper:
    Igor Bezler: 'We have just shot down a plane. Group Minera. It fell down beyond Yenakievo (Donetsk Oblast).
    Vasili Geranin:'Pilots. Where are the pilots?'
    IB:'Gone to search for and photograph the plane. Its smoking.'
    VG: 'How many minutes ago?'
    IB: 'About 30 minutes ago.'
    The next part of the conversation took place about 40 minutes later, it was reported.
    Major: 'These are Chernukhin folks who shot down the plane. From the Chernukhin check point. Those cossacks who are based in Chernukhino.'
    Greek: Yes, Major.
    Major: 'The plane fell apart in the air. In the area of Petropavlovskaya mine. We have found the first 200 (code word for dead person). A Civilian.'
    Greek: 'Well, what do you have there?
    Major: 'In short, it was 100 per cent a passenger (civilian) aircraft.'
    Greek: 'Are many people there?'
    Major: 'Holy s***. The debris fell right into the yards (of homes).'
    Greek: 'What kind of aircraft?'
    Major: 'I haven’t ascertained this. I haven’t been to the main site. I am only surveying the scene where the first bodies fell. There are the remains of internal brackets, seats and bodies.'
    Greek: 'Is there anything left of the weapon?'
    Major: 'Absolutely nothing. Civilian items, medicinal stuff, towels, toilet paper.'
    Greek: 'Are there documents?'
    Major: 'Yes, of one Indonesian student. From a university in Thompson.'


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    This is the Buk missile system.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system


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    Does it mean that next time we take a flight we must first check the flight path?
    Last edited by An drew; 18th July 2014 at 03:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronniegogs View Post
    I would ask people not to blame Malaysian airlines or anyone related to the airlines for this.

    A Singapore airlines flight and Indian Airlines flight were just 25 km of MH17 when this happened. It was pure bad luck and horrible attack which caused this. Blame it on the people who fired that missile. If they had locked on another plane it would have been the same result which is death of innocent people.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...onths-ago.html

    These airlines made a conscious decision to fly over the war zone when other airlines have already diverted their flights. They should be held responsible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    Does it mean that next time we take a flight we must first check the flight path?
    You have to trust your life to whatever decision the airline management makes.

    They are paid top dollars to make sure you have a safe journey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...onths-ago.html

    These airlines made a conscious decision to fly over the war zone when other airlines have already diverted their flights. They should be held responsible.
    Singapore airline leh? why they keep quiet huh?
    Objection !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    You have to trust your life to whatever decision the airline management makes.

    They are paid top dollars to make sure you have a safe journey.
    Aiyo, sad lah. They risked your life because they wanted a save a few dollars.

    Asian airlines stopped flying over Ukraine months ago

    A number of Asian airlines had rerouted their flights since early March to avoid flying over Ukraine
    Some airline wanted to save money at the risk of being shot down.

    Re-routing would have involved a longer flight-time and therefore higher fuel costs.
    Next time SIA ask to pay fuel surcharge, we better pay happily.

    Quote Originally Posted by ninelives View Post
    Singapore airline leh? why they keep quiet huh?
    Singapore Airlines said in a statement that it had been using Ukrainian airspace but had "re-routed all our flights" to alternative corridors away from the region.
    A little late for this, SQ351 could have been shot down instead.

    All Najib can do now is to blame ICAO.

    "The aircraft's flight route was declared safe by the International Civil Aviation Organisation. And (the) International Air Transportation Association has stated that the airspace the aircraft was traversing was not subject to restrictions,"

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    lufthansa, klm, air india, sq all flew thru the same airspace. u gonna start boycotting all of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cks2k2 View Post
    lufthansa, klm, air india, sq all flew thru the same airspace. u gonna start boycotting all of them?
    All already diverted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    But he can still insist of flying his private jet over Ukraine.
    ha ha, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    SIA is fortunate as we don't use bomoh:

    Singapore Airlines
    18 hours ago
    Customers may wish to note that Singapore Airlines flights are not using Ukraine airspace.
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    https://www.facebook.com/singaporeair
    Customer first, competitor last. Also, they should have added the words "anymore."
    http://www.crikey.com.au/2014/07/18/...s-their-lives/
    SQ now being screwed by customers on Facebook.
    Last edited by An drew; 18th July 2014 at 10:32 PM.

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    SQ325, departed on Tuesday 15 July from Frankfurt did use the Ukraine airspace - unless the Flight Display in IFE system that I watched is a recorded session and not the actual route.
    So whatever these jokers are claiming: they only changed flight path after the disaster.
    Looking at the display and remembering the past weeks' headlines really gave me an uneasy feeling. I was glad when the aircraft cleared the area..
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    There were other planes that could have been hit:
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/I...w/38601142.cms

    And a particular Aussie family suffers loss in both MH 370 and MH 17...
    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...aign=TOI_AShow
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    Before Crash, Some Airlines Avoided Ukraine http://nyti.ms/1nDaH3q


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    The irony is that it seems that M'sia was supposed to buy the very missiles to bolster their air defence from Russia...
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    Well its created a furore here in Australia, opposition leaders are calling for Russia to be banned from the upcoming G20 Summit in Brisbane. And numerous reports abound that Australians are calling their travel agents and changing their flights from Malaysian Airlines to other carriers.
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