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    One thing for sure, I pity those patient. Hope someone who can truely organise a fund raising for them and use the $ wisely. Really hope some organisation (trusted ones) could step up and do so. Close down NKF for GOOD!
    Only Sony device mostly, haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis32
    Not sure if anyone noticed... it's not really fair to compare NKF & KDF. Yes, their cause is similar but i don;t think KDF have many dialysis centres? Also, in terms of size, it's like comparing SBS vs small private bus operator. KDF only have 20 staffs earning average of abt 2400... Highest position is GM. Their size a bit too small.
    I agree with you, cannot compare. Do your own research on which charitable organisation is worth your support. Especially the people running it... is it up to your standard (integrity/character/trustworthiness etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by espn
    I still prefer to donate direct...
    To most of us, giving money is the easy part. But who wants to spare more effort to ensure the money is well manage for it's intended purpose? (be it Kidney / cancer / poor children in africa etc)

    Just voicing out... I'm asking myself how much do I care really about fellow human being in need.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM
    One thing for sure, I pity those patient. Hope someone who can truely organise a fund raising for them and use the $ wisely. Really hope some organisation (trusted ones) could step up and do so. Close down NKF for GOOD!
    You think you want to close can close right away ah? Very BIG BOSSES supporting behind, you know?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yqt
    Reserves can last about 4 years if patients do not pay anything. 30 years if patients pay current subsidy.
    This is reserve alone... $300K annual bonus will still go a long way... and don't you think this issue is isolated to one man? I think there are more than meets the eye that's why NKF retracted the lawsuit so quickly. Of course, this is just my opinion and not factual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum
    You think you want to close can close right away ah? Very BIG BOSSES supporting behind, you know?
    With so many bad news on them and less donation go to them, they will be finish soon. But wait! Sure got a lot of greedy ppl who donate just for the prizes
    Only Sony device mostly, haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgbyte77
    This is reserve alone... $300K annual bonus will still go a long way... and don't you think this issue is isolated to one man? I think there are more than meets the eye that's why NKF retracted the lawsuit so quickly. Of course, this is just my opinion and not factual.
    Of course there is. A fleet of 8 cars for VIPs, how much do you think that cost?
    I get paid more shooting part time ...... damn, I should find more time to shoot part time

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM
    With so many bad news on them and less donation go to them, they will be finish soon. But wait! Sure got a lot of greedy ppl who donate just for the prizes
    Well, that's their own business anyway. They got $$ mah!

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    Talk abt prizes, didn't that woman who just won the car look familiar? On top of that, any one of you really win those prizes before? Wondering those winner are there own ppl or not?
    Only Sony device mostly, haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM
    Talk abt prizes, didn't that woman who just won the car look familiar? On top of that, any one of you really win those prizes before? Wondering those winner are there own ppl or not?
    Read the 1st line thought that she is your relative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM
    With so many bad news on them and less donation go to them, they will be finish soon.
    40 years you are talking about...and they may raise the dialysis cost to cover the shortfall

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum
    Read the 1st line thought that she is your relative.
    No la. See her somewhere before on tv shows. Really Kelong mah.

    NKF = National Kelong Foundation!
    Only Sony device mostly, haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM
    No la. See her somewhere before on tv shows. Really Kelong mah.

    NKF = National Kelong Foundation!
    Buah...hah...ha...ha.... & so on....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Kahuna
    40 years you are talking about...and they may raise the dialysis cost to cover the shortfall
    Nah, as NKF says, 3 to 4 years only mah. It will be true on what NKF said as with high bonus and benefits to staffs, that amount could be gone in no time. Esp they brought expensive gift for themself (ESPN fav D2X and a few VR lens )
    Only Sony device mostly, haha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM
    Nah, as NKF says, 3 to 4 years only mah. It will be true on what NKF said as with high bonus and benefits to staffs, that amount could be gone in no time. Esp they brought expensive gift for themself (ESPN fav D2X and a few VR lens )
    I wonder, do they manage all this things something like what the MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) is doing? The very top gets the most $$? Just my personal wild thoughts only.
    Last edited by Spectrum; 13th July 2005 at 03:12 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectrum
    I wonder, do they manage all this things something like what the MLM (Multi-Level Marketing) is doing? The very top gets the most $$? Just mine wild thoughts only.
    You know, i know can liao

    Feel shame to have this kind of things to happen down here. But after sometime, this thing will die off, ppl will start donate AGAIN! Then those NKF ppl will enjoy what they use to be and the history of this, wouldn't be appearing AGAIN.

    As I said before, if this kind of things happened in oversea, NKF wouldn't be there now. Riot will force it to close down or another organisation will take over. But sg too small to have this kind of things to be happen and the citizen, just sign petition or stop donation only. Isn't that too late and NKF having so many $ in reserve.

    I bet this kind of case last only for a month and another story will cover this one over. Whatever happened, let it be. Let's stop donating to NKF and help those who really need. Let's wait and see how NKF can last but I think it will be forever with their prizes and greedy ppl ard. Let's hope for the best to come
    Only Sony device mostly, haha!

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    correction.. just able to connect to site again.. but very slow!!

    Looks like SG has jammed up the network :-)
    Last edited by deslim27; 13th July 2005 at 03:32 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dawgbyte77
    It depends on the treatment. There is one patient who were interviewed in The New Paper. Her parents earn $1800. She is paying $240 out of $1700+. She is appreciative of the help but was dismayed when she found out about the bonus because her family still need to borrow money to pay for the $240 but is now afraid of losing the subsidy. I think the reserve should be able to cover that if worst comes to worst.
    2 separate issues...
    I called for SENSATIVITY because the fellow posted NO KIDNEY FOUNDATION, just imagine what a NKF or any kidney patient happens to see this thread. It is no laughing matters... SImilar, there's no need to call it National Kelong Foundation. All these are uncalled for.

    As for the S$240/treatment etc, based on my limited knowledge, level of subsidies depends on affordability. If you are a high income earner of > S$5k (for example only), you prob pays 80%, if you earn 2k, you prob pay 20%.

    Like most healthcare system, nothing will be given free and for good reasons. YOu do not want a situation whereby people do not worry about their health as they know any treatment is zero-cost to them. Thats why govt have medisheild etc when they can jolly-well give you free treatment at poly-clinics and hospitals.

    You are responsible for your own life. Thats why people buy insurance, exercise, eat well and quit smoking etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM
    Nah, as NKF says, 3 to 4 years only mah. It will be true on what NKF said as with high bonus and benefits to staffs, that amount could be gone in no time. Esp they brought expensive gift for themself (ESPN fav D2X and a few VR lens )
    NKF has 189m in reserves which supposedly can last them 2-3 years as they claim they need about 60-70m a year. NCSS has about 157m and can last them a couple of years as well. In my opinion, the reserves are not excessive. Imagine if economic crisis hits us for 2-3 years, the reserves will definitely diminished by a fair bit.

    In fact under NCSS's guideline (they are the controlling body of most orgs), reserves can be up to 5 years hence not excessive.

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