D2Hs or D2X?

[student]

Originally Posted by markccm Wahlau eh..... I also know u ESPN.... stating the obvious rite?

Genius is the perception of the obvious that everybody else miss.

[King Tiger]

Originally Posted by student Genius is the perception of the obvious that everybody else miss.

Very deep Englishesss......

[espn]

Originally Posted by student Genius is the perception of the obvious that everybody else miss.

[glensky]

Originally Posted by espn 50 frames is for JPEG, 40 is for RAW.

d2x 35 for jpeg 28 for raw...this is w high speed crop on.
at full res. of 12mp 22 for jpeg and 17 for raw....nevertherless...no regrets getting e d2x.

[unitedsmurfs]

er so in the end what is the moral of the story?

[tao]

Originally Posted by unitedsmurfs er so in the end what is the moral of the story?

buy what you really need.

[jOhO]

Originally Posted by King Tiger Very deep Englishesss......

i think it should be:

Genius is the perception of the obvious that everybody else missES

[student]

Originally Posted by jOhO i think it should be: Genius is the perception of the obvious that everybody else missES

Thank you! Thank you!

Knew I should ask my son to do the proof reading before I type "submit".

Damn English!

[Merciless_Knight]

Originally Posted by singscott What I mean when I say it is smaller of course I mean it have lesser pixels. It just play with words. The recording sensor go by the area which the pixels is in an array. In D2H it is 2646 x 1632 pixels sensor and D2X 4288 x 2848 pixels sensor so which is bigger? Then if you really want to make an issue, of course that can mean the physical size of the sensor. In which you assume it is the same because of 1.5x lens factor but if you read the fine print. Again assume that you are such a nikon guru then you should know that D2h physical size of the sensor is 23.3mm x 15.5mm and D2x is 23.7mm x 15.7mm which is bigger? To make my point clearer I trying to say. "What the 4mp camera can do in whatever terms the 12mp camera can do it too. But when come to the option of making the best print possible and making it bigger this where the 12mp shine." You can to say and play with whatever words you like this is what I mean.

I just want to add the more MP does not mean the sensor is bigger.

That mean that Ur picture is more detail than the others. The more MP the more to analogue to it.

[singscott]

Yes yes. Man you have to have a Phd in english language to get your message through here. I mean again is when I say big or small is the referance to how much pixels area there is. You can say a sensor is bigger or small because the array area of the sensors been placed. For example D2H is 2464 x 1632 and D2X is 4298 x 2848. It can also mean the physical area of sensor that in term like D2H is 23.3mm x 15.5mm and D2X is 23.7mm x 15.7mm. It just how I use my words. If it make you more comfortable and sleep better, I will change my statement D2X have more pixels then D2H

[Expiredyoghurt]

d2x higher mp count, smaller pixel size
d2h lower mp count, larger pixel size

as for ccd size .. usually used to refer to t6he physical size of the ccd ...

361.15 vs 372.09 mm² i really think the physical size diff is quite negligable ... unless u're measure-bator ...

[singscott]

Sigh. I gave up. Again it the english I am using you don't understand not the science. Science you guys know best.

[Goldmember]

dun waste your money on the redundant product, go for the D2x. the D2x can do what a D2Hs can and more.

[singscott]

Originally Posted by Goldmember dun waste your money on the redundant product, go for the D2x. the D2x can do what a D2Hs can and more.

Can't agree more

[espn]

Like I said... they're both different systems. X and H, if they're meant to be the same, no point releasing both cameras. I can't help it if everybody thinks D2X is superior than D2HS.

[Jed]

Wow. I find myself agreeing with Espn.

As to what the D2hs can do that the D2x can't.

High ISO noise performance, or lack thereof.
8fps mode with more precise framing.
Better performance at 8fps than the D2x at 8fps (magnification and focusing considerations)
S$2000 or thereabouts in the bank.

To be honest, thinking about it as a list, the D2x seems to come off poorly. About the only thing I can think of that it does that the D2hs doesn't do, is,

12mp files.

Of course, that can be a fairly major consideration.

For those who still aren't sure what I'm saying, I'd take a D2hs to shoot 8fps for image quality reasons over a D2x cropped. In the daytime as well, and at night there is no competition.

I have to strongly disagree that the D2x makes the D2hs obsolete. Admittedly that's what I thought re the D2x and the D2h when the D2x first came out, but having used both, and the D2hs, I know that's nonsense. On paper possibly, but like I said, go use the cameras. And I ask again, how many commenting here have used them to shoot intensive sport?

[nightwolf75]

Originally Posted by espn Like I said... they're both different systems. X and H, if they're meant to be the same, no point releasing both cameras. I can't help it if everybody thinks D2X is superior than D2HS.

just my 2 rupees to the ever-increasing heatedness of the debate (which, btw, in case anyone kept records, the original poster din respond any more...)

i had the opportunity to use both cameras over the weekend (9-10 Jul 2005), thanks to nikon sg. on sat, i took the D2x to my wife's school to take some pics of her dance kids. mounted my 80-200/f2.8 to take some of them during practice.

now, i tried using my d100 b4 to shoot them in motion. those who know and use the d100 b4 will know dat, due to the small buffer (comparable to the 300D, i might add), its a real pain tracking the kids in perpetual movement. its fine for most things, except to capture fast motion (then again, it could be just me...)

with the d2x set to the max fps, i rattled off, oh, mebbe 6-7 frames at max res (NEF only) b4 the buffer filled and i've to wait for it to write to my lexar 40x 4GB CF card. credit to nikon's engineers, it din take dat long to clear the buffer. then i set the d2x to HSCM and fired again. better fps now, able to capture mebbe 10-12 pics at max res.

when i went home to review my pics, i discovered out of the sequence of pics, 2-3 will be OOF. mebbe its me for lousy panning.

then i took the d2hs out for a spin at IMM on sunday to shoot suria channel's event. again, set at max fps and max res using the same lens and same CF card. lets just say i never had a chance to fill the buffer...

went back home, review the pics. every pic is sharp. enuf said.

my own conclusion - as a portrait (or any situation which requires high-res high details) camera, D2x is the best in nikon's current line-up (moot point, i know. i compared this with the rest of the nikon cams i've used b4 - the d70/d70s, d50, d100, d2h and d1h). but, as a fast-action and tracking accuracy cam, d2hs beats the pants off d2x.

d2x images are (IMO) much cleaner compared to d2hs. however, this is not a fair comparison cos they dun use the same sensor.

i used to think nikon shot themselves in the foot by releasing d2hs cos d2x could do the same stuff as d2hs at higher res. once i used the 2 cams, i realised they are meant for different purposes. different tools for different needs. d2x, i believe, are geared more for commerical shooters where res is more impt than fps. d2hs, i feel, is geared towards people like journalists or event shooters as its a good balance bet spd and res (come on... which journalist would wanna sit down and process a 12MP file for a date-line...).

btw, no one mentioned dat buying the d2x entails a massive upgrade of ur PC to handle the 20+++MB NEF files...

all things being equaled, i would chose the d2hs over the d2x cos of the simplicity in handling a 4MP file. plus, with proper massaging in PS, i can enlarge the pic (tho i can't crop, not like using a d2x).

bottom line is, as usual, depending on wat u shoot most often. no point venting one's spleen here on the pros and cons of the 2 cameras... cos they are meant for different purposes.

(btw, as an aside, how many of those posting critiques here actually handled both cams b4, apart from Jed, glensky and espn? )

[espn]

Originally Posted by Jed Wow. I find myself agreeing with Espn.

Does this mean happy hour? Come...let me buy you a drink when you come back to SG.


No promises I won't put arscenic into the drink though....

[nikonsiao]

there is also the multiple exposure which the D2X is capable of.....

[rexlim]

Originally Posted by nikonsiao there is also the multiple exposure which the D2X is capable of.....

PS can handle this...