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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxshade View Post
    YOu exceeded my expectation. I was hoping to see this:

    The taxi has to provide ashtray to burn the note?

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    Next time cab driver don't complain no business cause where got people carry $10 notes so much and at most, $20+ per ride at most (unless to airport). Stupid rules, next time take cab must check wallet first liao. Too much $50 notes, no $10 notes, can forget it, haha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    The taxi has to provide ashtray to burn the note?
    Give them when you alight near cemetery, haha!
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    TS can report the taxi driver to the authority in charge of issuing taxi licenses.
    If taxi driver is lucky, he gets warning.
    If taxi driver is not lucky, he gets taxi license revoked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    TS can report the taxi driver to the authority in charge of issuing taxi licenses.
    If taxi driver is lucky, he gets warning.
    If taxi driver is not lucky, he gets taxi license revoked.
    Why should a taxi driver get punished for following the law? The sign and the phrases are legally correct.
    But instead of such questionable poking at the laws, Prime taxi should rather implement NETS and other ways of payment. For now, one can only see funky sticker "Cash Only" in the windows of these taxis. Denying electronic payment methods is more questionable here since it is established and expected.
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    Which brings me back to why is the customer still made to bear a surcharge for using credit card payment ?

    Kudos to Visa for doing the right thing anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    It's legal to put up such notice.
    It would have been better to phrase nicely and polite instead of putting up a pamphlet of this kind.
    It can be legal to put this notice, but using some decent common sense and business acumen, the cab driver will not know how the customer going to pay until he renders the service, ie until he drives the passenger to the destination.

    So this means that cab driver is always at the disadvantage end. The customer do not need to obey his notice. Either the cab driver take the money or he doesn't.

    What can the cab driver do? Drive the customer to the police station? To the high court? To the small claims court? Oh come on......

    He just suck thumb and accept whatever money the passenger gives, as long as the amount is correct to the fare.

    The cab driver is unlike a shop cashier. The shop doesn't need to give the product to the customer until he pays accordingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donut88 View Post
    It can be legal to put this notice, but using some decent common sense and business acumen, the cab driver will not know how the customer going to pay until he renders the service, ie until he drives the passenger to the destination.
    So this means that cab driver is always at the disadvantage end. The customer do not need to obey his notice. Either the cab driver take the money or he doesn't.
    Are you becoming a hobby lawyer now, telling people that they don't need to obey the law? Be careful with such claims and use the same common sense that you ask for from the taxi driver who put up this notice.
    Secondly, it simply does not matter for the law whether it is a veggie booth at the wet market, a taxi driver or the housing agent. The rules are laid out for all kinds of business and nobody can claim an exception from this. And strangely, nobody does and millions of transactions go well every day. The taxi driver is just putting up a notice, reminding people about the law, likely with the Intent of not getting flooded by $100 notes where he cannot return the change. (I hope that makes sense to you.) And suddenly, you make a bit fuss over it? Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by donut88 View Post
    What can the cab driver do? Drive the customer to the police station? To the high court? To the small claims court? Oh come on......
    Pointless ranting. The law does not ask for the options that a person has who is suffering from someone else violating the law. The options are provided by other laws. Obviously a police report and Small Claims Tribunal would be the next course of actions based on the fast that taxi fares are commonly below SGD100.00

    Quote Originally Posted by donut88 View Post
    He just suck thumb and accept whatever money the passenger gives, as long as the amount is correct to the fare.
    The cab driver is unlike a shop cashier. The shop doesn't need to give the product to the customer until he pays accordingly.
    That's what taxi driver are doing right now and that is how it works perfectly well million times a day (with maybe a few exceptions): taking the money, returning change and done. That's why I question the need to put up this notice and the need to rant about in length here whether it is legal or not. Wrong question.
    The question is: why is there a sudden focus on this? In other countries it's s simple sign in the taxi saying: We do not accept notes of EUR 100, EUR 500 and EUR 1,000. Everybody understands that a taxi driver does not like to have a lot of change in the car, making him attractive to robbery. It's simple as that and nobody pulls out the law to check whether the taxi driver is legally entitled to put up such notice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Are you becoming a hobby lawyer now, telling people that they don't need to obey the law? Be careful with such claims and use the same common sense that you ask for from the taxi driver who put up this notice.
    Secondly, it simply does not matter for the law whether it is a veggie booth at the wet market, a taxi driver or the housing agent. The rules are laid out for all kinds of business and nobody can claim an exception from this. And strangely, nobody does and millions of transactions go well every day. The taxi driver is just putting up a notice, reminding people about the law, likely with the Intent of not getting flooded by $100 notes where he cannot return the change. (I hope that makes sense to you.) And suddenly, you make a bit fuss over it? Why?

    Pointless ranting. The law does not ask for the options that a person has who is suffering from someone else violating the law. The options are provided by other laws. Obviously a police report and Small Claims Tribunal would be the next course of actions based on the fast that taxi fares are commonly below SGD100.00

    That's what taxi driver are doing right now and that is how it works perfectly well million times a day (with maybe a few exceptions): taking the money, returning change and done. That's why I question the need to put up this notice and the need to rant about in length here whether it is legal or not. Wrong question.
    The question is: why is there a sudden focus on this? In other countries it's s simple sign in the taxi saying: We do not accept notes of EUR 100, EUR 500 and EUR 1,000. Everybody understands that a taxi driver does not like to have a lot of change in the car, making him attractive to robbery. It's simple as that and nobody pulls out the law to check whether the taxi driver is legally entitled to put up such notice.
    U can justify all, but I look from practical POV.

    One passenger, upon reaching the destination, take out $50 for a $15 trip and tell cab uncle 'I got no change' and stare blankly.

    What do you think you will do as the cab uncle? U can curse and scold the passenger, but what's the bottomline? You still want his money right? So what will you do?

    Another thing, here we all talk as if every passenger is a local. We forgot about tourists. They are totally ignorant about our MAS law wherever. So how will you treat the tourists?

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    You will be charge an admin fee for coin banking unless the account is a children account.

    Some people may try to use up their coins by paying Taxi driver $20 worth of 10 cents coins.

    Taxi drivers don't have coin counting machine like the bank so they need to manually count like hell to ensure they got the correct amount.

    It become worst when Malaysia coins are mixed with SG coins.
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    Taxi drivers are doing very well and that is why they can afford to be very choosy if they wish.

    As far as I know, LTA's service standards include having sufficient change for $50 notes. Meanwhile MAS allows merchants to set their own payment conditions within the Currency Act. So there is a conflict.

    The best is to send this question to LTA and to MAS for clarifications.

    Most merchants do not want to upset customers. The Curry Puff shop and this taxi driver are in businesses where demand exceeds supply. So they can afford to dictate their conditions to their customers as along as they are within the law.

    I am sure you can buy curry puffs elsewhere. However with taxis being hard to come by during peak hours, you may have to accept this nonsense. If not call or wait for another one.

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    Very simple.. once i flag down a taxi with this sign, i will tell the taxi driver to stop and i get out. bye bye.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    You will be charge an admin fee for coin banking unless the account is a children account.

    Some people may try to use up their coins by paying Taxi driver $20 worth of 10 cents coins.

    Taxi drivers don't have coin counting machine like the bank so they need to manually count like hell to ensure they got the correct amount.

    It become worst when Malaysia coins are mixed with SG coins.
    People do not realize that many establishments will happily change your coins for big notes. Just ask any Coffeeshop drinks counter or provision shop. They will be more than happy to change with you.

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    this is just plain lazy from the taxi driver

    if you dont have enough small change just say so to the boarding passenger before starting the trip
    shaddap and just shoot .... up close
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Are you becoming a hobby lawyer now, telling people that they don't need to obey the law? Be careful with such claims and use the same common sense that you ask for from the taxi driver who put up this notice.
    Secondly, it simply does not matter for the law whether it is a veggie booth at the wet market, a taxi driver or the housing agent. The rules are laid out for all kinds of business and nobody can claim an exception from this. And strangely, nobody does and millions of transactions go well every day. The taxi driver is just putting up a notice, reminding people about the law, likely with the Intent of not getting flooded by $100 notes where he cannot return the change. (I hope that makes sense to you.) And suddenly, you make a bit fuss over it? Why?


    Pointless ranting. The law does not ask for the options that a person has who is suffering from someone else violating the law. The options are provided by other laws. Obviously a police report and Small Claims Tribunal would be the next course of actions based on the fast that taxi fares are commonly below SGD100.00


    That's what taxi driver are doing right now and that is how it works perfectly well million times a day (with maybe a few exceptions): taking the money, returning change and done. That's why I question the need to put up this notice and the need to rant about in length here whether it is legal or not. Wrong question.
    The question is: why is there a sudden focus on this? In other countries it's s simple sign in the taxi saying: We do not accept notes of EUR 100, EUR 500 and EUR 1,000. Everybody understands that a taxi driver does not like to have a lot of change in the car, making him attractive to robbery. It's simple as that and nobody pulls out the law to check whether the taxi driver is legally entitled to put up such notice.
    chinese say: "law is dead", human is alive"
    as so many have pointed out, it's not practical.

    or are we becoming a litigious nation like the States?

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    Hi I am not sure but does the taxi driver count as a shopkeeper because when i read the law it looks like it is only for shops or services where the price is known and agreeed to in advance thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by cks2k2 View Post
    chinese say: "law is dead", human is alive"
    as so many have pointed out, it's not practical.

    or are we becoming a litigious nation like the States?
    I think its going that way..
    Maybe taxi uncle will go back being a lawyer when business is good

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    Did a quick google on the currency act chapter 69 section 13.

    Authority to have sole right to issue currency; legal tender
    13.—(1) The Authority shall have the sole right to issue currency notes and coins in Singapore and only such notes and coins issued by the Authority shall be legal tender in Singapore.
    [11/82; 25/2002]

    (2) Currency notes issued by the Authority, if the notes have not been illegally dealt with, shall be legal tender up to their face value for the payment of any amount.
    [3/91; 25/2002]

    (3) Coins issued by the Authority, if the coins have not been illegally dealt with, shall be legal tender up to their face value in Singapore as follows:
    (a)in the case of coins of a denomination exceeding 50 cents — for the payment of any amount;
    (b)in the case of coins of a denomination of 50 cents — for the payment of an amount not exceeding $10 ; and
    (c)in the case of coins of a denomination lower than 50 cents — for the payment of an amount not exceeding $2.
    [2/69; 11/82; 3/91; 25/2002]

    (4) Where a payee has given written notice to the payer that he would not accept as payment all or any of the denominations of currency notes or coins in satisfaction of a debt, subsection (2) or (3), as the case may be, shall not apply to the payment of the debt to the extent specified in the notice. [25/2002]

    (5) Where no written notice under subsection (4) has been given by the payee, payment by the payer in accordance with subsection (2) or (3), as the case may be, in satisfaction of a debt, shall be deemed to have satisfied that debt.[25/2002]

    (6) For the purposes of this Act —
    (a) a coin shall be deemed to have been illegally dealt with where the coin has been impaired, diminished, or lightened otherwise than by fair wear and tear, or has been defaced by having any name, word, device or number stamped or engraved thereon, whether the coin has or has not been thereby diminished or lightened; and
    (b) a currency note shall be deemed to have been illegally dealt with where the note has been impaired, diminished or affected otherwise than by fair wear and tear, or has been defaced by writing or impressing on any note any mark, word, letter or figure or by perforation, cutting, splitting or in any other manner, whether the note has or has not been thereby impaired or diminished. [3/91]

    (7) In any criminal proceedings in which the genuineness of any currency note or coin may be in question, a certificate signed by an officer of the Authority authorised for that purpose that he is satisfied by personal examination that such note or coin is or is not forged shall be held to be conclusive evidence of the same. [3/91; 25/2002]

    (8) No officer of the Authority shall be cross-examined with regard to the contents of such certificate unless the court otherwise orders.
    A lot things added and deleted from the Currency Act above. I'm no law expert but seems the taxi driver is lying.

    The question now if true the taxi driver is lying, is he in trouble?

    Link to Act : http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/aol/searc...rec=0#pr13-he-.
    Last edited by greenieadi; 13th April 2014 at 04:23 PM.

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    is he in singapore???

    i can't believe there is still taxi fare of less than $2. LOL [clause d]

    thot i saw the other day that taxi fare starts at 3.90? my goodness i got a shock! was $2.40 during my taxi-taking time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cks2k2 View Post

    chinese say: "law is dead", human is alive"
    as so many have pointed out, it's not practical.

    or are we becoming a litigious nation like the States?
    Exactly. Law is dead. We need to be realist, not idealist.

    Implementing this rule is stupid and impractical.

    How will the tourists be treated? Exempted based on they are foreigners? So this rule only apply to locals?

    If there is a differential treatment, then why implement this rule in the first place? To breed anti foreigner sentiment again?

    And how does the taxi driver enforce this rule? Ask every passenger to open up wallet and show they have small notes before he start to drive?? Oh come on, get real..... I can go and go about practicalilty.

    People need to be realistic. Public Policy making is not just about 'we should do this and that.'

    It's about making policies that are practical and beneficial to every one.

    Every job and business carry some risks to survive and strive. If the cab driver doesn't like the trouble of changing money, then jolly well change job. Cab driving is not for him

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