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    And to think I avoided reading this thread.

    Yes, 2mp is old. So?

    [B]CCD or CMOS got difference in the picture quality?

    I think the leica lens will make up for the Megapixel.[/B}

    Encino. Yes, lots of difference in picture quality.

    And let's use some brains gentlemen. The only way a Leica lens will make up for having only 2mp resolution (all other things being equal) is if you are saying that other lenses cannot even resolve 2mp of detail. Right.

    CMOS sensors actually have a problem with high sensitivity noise/grain.

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    Originally posted by syncmaster
    Nice try , but its not ...
    The CCD its smaller than the UZI , this is a sign of more noise in comparison with the UZI ..
    This is by no means necessarily the case, since it certainly appears that CCD technology has continued to improve significantly over the past couple of years (since the release of the Olympus C-2100UZ). The fact that we're starting to see 5 megapixel 1/1.8" CCDs is testimony to this progress. Speculating on the image quality of the new camera is pretty much futile; we'll just have to wait and see.

    Plus that the small sensor of the Panasonic with the 12X zoom power , it will give less real zoom power in the equivalent of the 35mm cameras , than the UZI ..
    I believe the Panasonic camera was reported to have a 35mm-equivalent zoom range of 35mm to 420mm (12x) at f/2.8 and with "Mega Optical Image Stabilizer". Those are certainly very impressive specs indeed (and, if I may add, better specs than that for the Canon IS lens on the Oly C-2100UZ and Canon Pro90), especially when one considers how compact the lens appears to be in the posted photos of the camera.


    So i guess that its a good try , but not good enough to strike the UZI king ..
    That's a premature conclusion at this stage, but it looks like it will at least be a very worthy contender in this particular segment of the digicam market.

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    yup the two are so far apart in age.. eg the 2100 has no NR...
    hi Jed, 2 mp is OLD, mktg wise it loses to anything that has more pixels. remember consumer cams are to appeal to joe public, most of which are newbies. the 12x IS on 2mp seem to be a waste. why pay 1799 for a 2mp if u can get a 5mp cam? the IS is largely lost to newbies who haven't tried shooting yet, the SLRers would consider this but the higher mp rivals too. It's like using 500hp engines w carriage wheels. Potential is good but the last stage waters down.
    as for syncmaster, we have had 2 years since the 2mp ccds were released, I am sure the electrical characteristics wd have been improved by now, as the cutting edge has moved from 35 microns to 13, I am sure some improvements have leaked over. As for zoom rating, similar to aperture rating they are spec'd proportional to the digicam, quite unlike DSLRs.
    yup midnight the cam certainly looks small! it looks like a 602z with IS!! I think panasonic took their steadyshot DV tech and used it here, hence the 2mp ccd and ccd size.
    PS: last PMa or something there was a demo set from samsung using the 10x IS too... but only got pics and no announcements.. weird, and that cam had a really nice body!
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    heard the price is around S$1000 though.....
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    1k only? oooh good buy then!
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    Default ....its all about balance....

    Hiee..

    Just IMHO......its all about the design of the camera and how things are put together. A 12x (leica) lens is obviously a + factor in terms of glass.

    Where speed comes into the picture, I'm sure these people in Panasonic considers limitations with speed in processing for higher 3mpix (for this priced range) - you get more frames/sec from a lower Mpix for the same capable bits sized processor. Inthis case, battery life is also at stake in cases where higher mpix is used.

    I this is a pro-sumer camera,, then a true 12x optical zoom and concentrate right into the picture is really gonna make a great difference from a 3mpix with only 3x zoom. imagine if you cut the frame at normal zoom into smaller boxes images zoomed at 12x, and stich it all up to form a larger photo, you get an effctive size of 2mpix x the number of small packets.

    Here is a general breakdown for the cost of a digicam(mainly electronics) -

    1)miniturization of devices - flexible circuit boards, Image proscess chips, motors, shutter mechanism, sensors etc.

    2)used of downsized component = lower power + specialised processes

    3)CCD/CMOS image capture device (newer current generaion will be more expensive)

    4)specialized firmware developement due to more advance features (the firmware codes itself cost nothing-its software)

    5)higher reserch and development on area to reduce Regulatory problems due to higher processing speeds of devices - FYI, a digital camera use in orchard rd if not properly designed to prevent electromagnetic emission can down a 747 into the street!!!!

    6)Lens of course

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    What may get cheaper......plastics usage get cheaper as cameras gets smaller....use less plastics.....

    So the bottom line is........you pay for technology...(nothing new) + lens.......


    Its all about designing a stable camera......of course you can have 5mpix and all that lens...but it will cost too high to be a consumer or prosumer........they would rather encase it into a SLR body!!!

    (NOTE: do not buy any electronics good too long from date of release......................................)

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    There seems to be some differences in the specs announced by dpreview and letsgodigital.

    Hmm, better wait for the official specs before commenting on this.

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    and also we need to look at sample pics to know the real quality!

    Sony used to have a digital camera that goes beyong 500mm equivalent... but quality sucks....
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    Leica lens? wat leica lens?

    wat Carl Zeiss lens?

    i'll stick my neck out here to make the statement that neither of the so called Carl Zeiss or Leica lens on any of the consumer digicams are actually designed or made by Leica.

    mabe the coating is from them, (and that's a BIG maybe!) but certainly not the complete lens design.

    more likely rebadged in a marketing move to play off the brand names........for Leica's case, so that Leica can have a player in the digicam market.....

    lens probably come from a standard lens supplier (some say Canon) that supplies them to any manufacturer of digicams, and CCD sensor more often than not comes from Sony nowadays.

    it seems any company can make a digicam nowadays!
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    I remember Leica has a Fujifilm 4300Z clone
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    Originally posted by mpenza
    I remember Leica has a Fujifilm 4300Z clone
    yup cos Leica used to sleep in bed with them like they are doing with Panasonic now

    but they broke off and now are in it together with Panasonic
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    Originally posted by mpenza
    heard the price is around S$1000 though.....
    But according to spec, the exposure only program AE.

    Meaning :

    no shutter priority
    no aperture apriority
    no manual operation

    purely P & S camera with a professional grade len!!

    comment???

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    So the bottom line is........you pay for technology...(nothing new) + lens.......
    you also pay too much for the brand. the technology only costs a small fraction.

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    Professional grade lens? Where did that idea come from? Some presumption again that Leica and Zeiss are somehow professional quality?

    Not many professionals I know carry around 12x zoom lenses. Some own them, not many use them unless they have very specific requirements.

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    it's like a 28-300mm? sacrifice some quality for range. but at 2 mp ok lah no complaints... unless got really bad CA, which is the main issue on quality for a compact digicam?

    how long does it last?
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