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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian
    I think let's get back to the topic...enough of Nuclear stuff.

    F-117, design and build in the 80's. Well kept secret until the Panama War against a dictator in Panama. 100% successful and accurate bomb runs. Not to mention saw action Gulf war and Bosnia.
    yah.. at that time... it realli caught them with their pants down... even in the iraq war, the B2s and F117s also caught these iraqi army in their pants down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian
    I think let's get back to the topic...enough of Nuclear stuff.

    F-117, design and build in the 80's. Well kept secret until the Panama War against a dictator in Panama. 100% successful and accurate bomb runs. Not to mention saw action Gulf war and Bosnia.
    You'll be surprised, the aircraft model maker has for years sold F-117 models before the design was ever admitted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hommie
    You'll be surprised, the aircraft model maker has for years sold F-117 models before the design was ever admitted.
    maybe the maker wanted to sell some models and make some $ before paying for a trip to the Pentagon to sell his idea? maybe that time he no $ pay for bus trips and stuffs la... so sold his models and took a airplane there lor...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian
    It the same as the Sopwith camel in WW1. The pilot (Cant recall the name) who sat in this plane defeated the Red Baron.
    The Hurricane is from the same line as the Sopwith as both are produced by Hawker. The Spitfire is developed by a company called Supermarine and has no precedence. If u look at both the Hurricane and the Spitfire, the Spitfire is more streamlined and a well designed fighter.
    There were 27 squadrons of Hurricanes and 19 squadrons of Spitfires in service at the time of the Battle of Britian in Oct 1940. But by 1943 the Spitfires were the main stay of the RAF fighter fleet. In all about 20,000 spitfires were produced.
    As for the Spitfire vs Bf 109- the Bf109 had fuel injection and the Spitfire a float-type carburretor which makes it susceptible to fuel starvation in negative g. Hence the Spitifre pilots had to roll inverted before pulling down to maintain positive g to ensure that there is no fuel starvation. Fuel starvation will cause the engine to stop.
    Oh the other great WW2 fighter will be the American mustang.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rueyloon
    in what way are they designed for that ?

    actually,

    attack
    defense
    multi-role
    etc...

    what qualities are required ?
    can't they make one that can do all ? since nowaways, first strike = winning the match, can't they just put the advance missles on all those planes ?
    mervlam had already answered below. It is almost impossible to have an all in one aircraft. Each design and model are designed for specialised roles to ensure top performance. Like comparing a jack of all trades Vs a specialist. The closest to a all in one is the JSF. Even so, it is still not a 3 in 1 fighter. It is 3 similar designs based on a frame, 3 similar aircrafts. It is not easy to design a car that can go off road and beat a Ferrari in a race.

    F15 and F22 are for air superiority.


    Quote Originally Posted by mervlam
    F14 Tomcat - air defense
    F/A18 Hornet - interceptor / attack
    A6 Intruder - all-weather / night attack
    EA6B Prowler - electronic warfare
    E2C Hawkeye -AEW
    S3 Viking - ASW / ASuW

    with the F14s being phased out, the F/A 18 Hornets or the new F/A 18E Super Hornets now take the role of air defense as well.

    different situations require different weapons. there isn't quite a one plane fits all for the US naval aviation yet. besides that, the number of weapon pods are limited.

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    wha... suddenly all the experts start coming in.... muz admit where are all the RSAF pple ? lol......

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    Zero fighter anyone? even the allies agreed the plane was in a class of its own in WWII

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    Quote Originally Posted by numzkull
    Zero fighter anyone? even the allies agreed the plane was in a class of its own in WWII
    Zero fighters. those were the planes that wiped out Pearl Harbour.... and the assault of singapore. fast efficient and deadly. they were silent too in those days when even the US cannot detect them on their radar ?

    and if i didnt remember wrongly ? it was mitsubishi who made these engines or wad ? lol.....

    the placement of their machine guns were also a great idea too....

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    Quote Originally Posted by numzkull
    Zero fighter anyone? even the allies agreed the plane was in a class of its own in WWII
    Ya the zero fighter ranked as one of the most feared fighters in WW2 with the Mustang, Corsair and Spitfire. All great fighters in WW2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kingpin
    Ya the zero fighter ranked as one of the most feared fighters in WW2 with the Mustang, Corsair and Spitfire. All great fighters in WW2.
    yup... the kamikaze planes that sank lots of US warships in the Battle of Iwo Jima.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mohgui
    yup... the kamikaze planes that sank lots of US warships in the Battle of Iwo Jima.
    That's because the Japanese are losing the war, and partially they do not have the resource to train experience pilots in such a critical time frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong
    Zero fighters. those were the planes that wiped out Pearl Harbour.... and the assault of singapore. fast efficient and deadly. they were silent too in those days when even the US cannot detect them on their radar ?

    and if i didnt remember wrongly ? it was mitsubishi who made these engines or wad ? lol.....

    the placement of their machine guns were also a great idea too....
    Zero Fighters are superior from 1939 to 1942.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hommie
    You'll be surprised, the aircraft model maker has for years sold F-117 models before the design was ever admitted.
    OH yes, totally agree with Hommie.

    Not too sure, but I think it is one of the Italian model maker which come out with the F117 prototype model, which shock and surprise the modelling and military industries. Of course, USAF and Pentagon denied such existence at that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian
    To spin off from Hommie - Fav aircraft thread
    Let's start this new thread about combat proven aircraft
    I remember when I was still young, I saw in the TV news of the image of the British destroyer HMS Sheffield burning. Hit by an Exocet radar guided missile, fired from Super Etendard fighter bomber.

    It was the first British warship lost since the Second World War.





    To say which is the successful combat proven aircraft, I would recommend Super Etendard as one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian
    The Russian only combat proven aircrafts were MIG-15s and MiG-21s... Oh Yes Mi-24 Hind helicopter. Saw action during the Afganistan war in the 80's. Heavily armoured, powerful weapons and can carry 24 troops Feared by ground troops.

    MiG-29 did saw some actions during Desert Storm.
    not really.. how about the Mig 17 and Mig 19 ? even the MiG 3 is battle proven in WW II ..along with many more ..(too lazy to remember)
    you forgot the Su 25 Frogfoot .. saw combat in Afgan, albeit as a ground attack plane... the Mujahiddin dubbed it 'the Russian aircfraft that made in germany' , as a testimonial for the durability ..
    and for the Hind, it can carry troops OR carry weapon on its wing .. it simply doesn't have the power to lift troops and weapon ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennyong
    Zero fighters. those were the planes that wiped out Pearl Harbour.... and the assault of singapore. fast efficient and deadly. they were silent too in those days when even the US cannot detect them on their radar ?

    and if i didnt remember wrongly ? it was mitsubishi who made these engines or wad ? lol.....

    the placement of their machine guns were also a great idea too....
    Zero is my fave aircraft.. I'm lucky to touch one of the last (if not the only one) flying Zero in Museum of Flying, Santa Monica...most the 'Zeros' on movie (Empire of the Sun, for example) are actually converted AT 6 'Texan' ..

    Zero is not fast.. very manuverable, yes, but speed is not her strongest point. Zeros even had trouble ig high speed, especially in a dive, because of the large control sufrace..
    The most manueverable plane the Allied could offer was the Spitfire, and still no match for the Zero (Australian Spitfire vs Zero, during the early war in Asia)
    nor it is silent .. the US actually detected them, but mistaken them as a flight of B 17 coming from the mainland..

    Mitsubishi made(or at least manufactured) the entire aircraft, hence the name : Mitsubishi A6M Zero ..

    you said the MG placement ? I agree, but if only they were bigger calibre .. the MGs were 7.7 mm. rifle calibre, the pilot actually used them as guidance for the 20 mm canon ..
    The rifle calibre stayed untiil the l A6M5 version, which had 13 mm MG ..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adrian
    It the same as the Sopwith camel in WW1. The pilot (Cant recall the name) who sat in this plane defeated the Red Baron.
    It was Roy Brown the Canadian Ace. However the truth is Brown didn't kill Von Richtofen, indeed there is some doubt as to whether Brown had managed to even force von Richtofen to the ground as the actuall kill was as a result of a shot to the heart by a couple of Austrailian troops using a machine gun. There's a (BBC or Chan 4) documentary about it that goes in to some serious forensic research.
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    Fav planes:

    WWII Fighter planes esp Zero and Lightning.

    Recent ones would be the Harrier and the Hornet.

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    Not dat successful in combat bit but mi fav aircraft is still the F-14 Tomcat... first product to take over the ageing Plantom but it prove too advance for its time & $ intensive to maintain... The F-18 at half the price to maintain soon took over as the US downsize the F-14 squatron after a series of crashes.

    Sad to c it fade away... will always remember the movie Tom Gun, the jap cartoon Macross....

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    Quote Originally Posted by TMC
    Fav planes:

    WWII Fighter planes esp Zero and Lightning.

    Recent ones would be the Harrier and the Hornet.
    how come never mention Spitfire? Messerschmit ? Stuka dive bomber?
    Lancaster bomber ? Superfortress bomber ?

    What US fighter plane was Charlton Heston flying in 'Battle of Midway" ?

    Singapore was defended by some British fighter plane called "Buffalo".
    No wonder got shot to pieces by Jap Zeros.

    if I recall correctly, Lightning was a ramjet fighter that was mad postwar or near the end of the war.

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