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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    So this is "evidences" how ??

    You might as well claim each and every flight that has ever crashed and not be proven beyond a doubt, as a terrorist act... since planes have been crashing when commercial flight 1st begin...

    What you have my friend... is a Theory... while your theory may yet be proven correct... till more official Evidences turn out... I'll wait for the official statement.

    Unless of course a 2nd or 3rd plane goes down too...
    At least two names on a passenger list released by Beijing police appeared to have been redacted, with the names pixillated out, leading to online speculation that they could have been ethnic Uighurs, a Muslim people from the restive far western Chinese region of Xinjiang.

    The government has not confirmed this, and it was not possible to reach Beijing police for comment.
    John Goglia, a former board member of the National Transportation Safety Board, the U.S. agency that investigates plane crashes, said the lack of a distress call suggested that the plane either experienced an explosive decompression or was destroyed by an explosive device.

    "It had to be quick because there was no communication," Goglia said.

    He said the false identities of the two passengers strongly suggested the possibility of a bomb.

    "That's a big red flag," he said.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A2701720140308

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...0M50B120140308

    What may have caused the Malaysian Airlines plane to disappear
    The most dangerous parts of a flight are takeoff and landing. Incidents rarely happen when midflight.
    The disappearance of a Malaysia Airlines jet well into its flight has led experts to assume that whatever happened was quick and left the pilots no time to make a distress call.
    It initially appears there was either a sudden breakup of the plane or something that led it into a quick, steep dive. Some experts even suggested an act of terrorism.
    Possible causes for a crash include:
    Catastrophic structural failure This could have damaged the airframe or engines. Given the plane's impressive safety record, experts suggest this is unlikely.
    Bad weather Planes are designed to fly though most severe storms, but poor weather has caused crashes in the past. However, the skies were clear in this case.
    Pilot disorientation The pilots could have taken the plane off autopilot and somehow gone course.
    Failure of both engines In January 2008, a British Airways 777 crashed about 1,000 feet short of the runway at London's Heathrow Airport. There were no fatalities. Such a scenario is possible, but the plane could glide for up to 20 minutes, giving pilots plenty of time to make an emergency call.
    A bomb Several planes have been brought down by bombs. If the debris field is large it will indicate the plane broke apart high up.
    Hijacking A traditional hijacking seems unlikely given that a plane's captors typically land at an airport and have some type of demand. But a 9/11-like hijacking is possible, with terrorists forcing the plane into the ocean.

    Pilot suicide There were two large jet crashes in the late 1990s that investigators suspected were caused by pilots deliberately crashing.

    Accidental shoot-down There have been two previous cases of passenger jets being brought down accidentally by the military.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...e-missing.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    Did they find something or found nothing?
    They found oil
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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    They may have more than one target. If they claim victory now.
    Everyone will take precaution and the 2nd target will be difficult to hit.

    Evidences
    - No bad weather
    - No distress call of technical failure ( engine problem etc )
    - 2 persons with fake passports
    - Most of the passengers are Chinese returning to Beijing
    - Beijing ordered crack down on Muslim separatists

    If the terrorists want to send a message to Beijing, they would target a plane going to Beijing.
    Those are just hearsays based purely on nothing but assumptions.

    Please refrain from wild speculations.
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    Another one that missed the flight.


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    I don't think Muslim terrorists will target a plane from a Muslim country and usually someone will claim responsibility by now.

    Pray for survivors floating in the seas as we speak.

    MAS is talking about a plane turning back on CNA.

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    Really don't know what to think.
    Interesting to see a new style of "no confirmation" crisis communication.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    The new smart terrorists know how to keep a low profile now.

    You think they will advetise it and let US Navy seals come hunting them like Osama?
    Ya lor, you are right. I just wanted to say that.

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    Not likely to be explosive causing disintegration in mid air. Mid air explosion at such altitude would usually scatter debris in wide area and easily detectable.
    Very strange indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    Those are t hearsays based purely on nothing but assumptions.

    Please refrain from wild speculations.
    This is not parliament. Wild speculation will not hurt.

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    It should be discovered soon, then we'll know the truth as to what really happened, feel sad for the family and loved ones

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    So many ships/boats + planes/helicopters cannot find the plane.

    Anyway SG sent a submersible meant for submarine rescue, in case need to dive very deep to confirm visual sighting of wreckage.

    Thought the black box emits a signal for 30 days after a crash. So why can't they home in on signal?

    They cannot look where the oil slick is seen on surface of sea. The current would have moved it many miles away from origin.

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    same as air France, they found the black box a year later.
    Objection !!!

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    So many ships/boats + planes/helicopters cannot find the plane.

    Anyway SG sent a submersible meant for submarine rescue, in case need to dive very deep to confirm visual sighting of wreckage.

    Thought the black box emits a signal for 30 days after a crash. So why can't they home in on signal?

    They cannot look where the oil slick is seen on surface of sea. The current would have moved it many miles away from origin.
    The signal from black box have limited range.

    With all the technology on board a modern passenger aircraft its seems impossible that one can just disappear without explanation.

    However, in the case of MH370 that appears to be exactly what's happened.

    The Malaysian Airlines plane was equipped with the industry standard ASD-B flight transponder. This device sends a package of GPS data back to air traffic controllers every second.

    It gives the plane's altitude, speed and direction.Data from the transponder shows the plane taking off at 12:41 a.m from Kuala Lumpur.

    Then at precisely 1.20 a.m. when the plane was cruising at an altitude of 35,000 feet the signal was lost.

    The fact that the transponder data shows no change in altitude or course, and that there was no communication from the crew on board has led to speculation that a sudden and catastrophic event caused the plane to crash into the sea.

    In emergency situations however, pilots are trained to "fly, navigate, communicate" in that order.

    If there is an on-going emergency situation that requires the full effort of the pilot and crew it may be that a distress call is not made in time.

    The aircraft was also equipped with an ELT - a floating GPS beacon - designed should transmit the aircraft's position if it lands in water.

    There has been no report of a signal from this transmitter either. However its signal is only short range and won't work if the device sank along with any wreckage.

    It's now 24 hours since the MH370 took off so it looks almost certain that it has crashed. But until physical evidence has been found authorities cannot confirm that the plane, with its 239 passengers and crew, has been lost or not.
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    Just to clear away some misunderstanding. Range for Automatic Dependent Surveillance-Broadcast (ADS-B) is limited and that far out into Gulf of Thailand / South China Sea, you may not even have Secondary Surveillance Radar (SSR) and Very High Frequency (VHF) voice communications (comms) coverage provided in Ho Chi Minh Flight Information Region (FIR) or by Kuala Lumpur Area Control Center (ACC).

    Emergency Locator Transmitters (ELTs) in Cockpit Voice Recorder (CVR) and Flight Data Recorder (FDR) transmit digital bursts on 406 MHz upon activation and they can be pick by Cospas-Sarsat GEOSAR and LEOSAR satellites, regional Mission Control Centre (MCC) is located right here in Singapore as mentioned here. CVRs and FDRs are also equipped with Underwater Locator Beacon (ULB) which emits an ultrasonic pulse of 37.5 kHz when submerged to be pick up by sonar arrary for a period of approximately 30 days.
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    Hi 9V-Orion Images

    You have a deep understanding of the subject of aviation, outer space and meteorology and the technology involved........
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    Quote Originally Posted by shierwin View Post
    Hi 9V-Orion Images

    You have a deep understanding of the subject of aviation, outer space and meteorology and the technology involved........
    Why do you think we come to KPT for the latest and most reliable reports and analysis?

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    Why do you think we come to KPT for the latest and most reliable reports and analysis?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thoth View Post
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    Did flight MH370 have a same fate as flight 19?

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