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    马航劫机真相? 马航是被劫持的,且劫机者向马来西亚政府提出了与马来西亚国内政治有关的政治诉求,马政府在接到劫机者的要 求后,经过5个小时的谈判,最后没有答应劫机者的诉求,劫机者在等待无果的同时飞机终于耗尽了燃料&hel lip;… 马政府从始至终都知道飞机在哪里!在得知飞机燃料耗尽后,马政府决定将事件描述成常规航空失事,以避免人道 主义压力,避免国内其他政治力量知道劫机者的政治诉求。 飞机为什么折返马来西亚?因为劫机者的诉求与马来西亚政府有关。 谁是劫机者?机组人员。 劫机者的诉求是什么? 是要求马政府立即释放政治犯安华--3月7日,马来西亚上诉法庭推翻反对派领导人安华鸡奸案被判无罪的裁决,现年66岁的前副总理安华说,政府 企图用这项指控毁掉他的政治生涯。如果马政府答应释放安华,劫机者会保证飞机安全,并对外宣称飞机出现故障 ,返航降落在马来西亚某个机场,否则将会毁灭飞机。 劫机者为什么关闭与地面导航的通讯联系? 因为劫机者天真地认为马政府会顾虑230多条生命而答应他们的条件!劫机者是希望活着回去的!于是劫持飞机 后机组关闭了导航通讯,并启动了与马航总部的内部通话设备, 因为在提出诉求前,劫机者不希望导航台知道飞机被劫持,以便马政府答应条件后,飞机能以故障为由体面地降落 。 劫机者为什么一直在飞?因为劫机者一直在等马政府的回复。 为什么马来西亚在失联5个小时后才公布飞机失联? 因为马政府正在和劫机者讨价还价,这5个小时里飞机并没有失联,马政府与劫机者之间的通讯一直通畅,且马政 府也希望说服劫机者无条件放弃劫机,因此无法发布信息。 事实上,飞机一直就在马来西亚附近 不断地折返游弋,等待马政府的答复。最后才向西北消失在雷达上。 劫机者的政治诉求主要是马来西亚国内事情,因此没有必要飞他国。而且,劫机者是希望政府答应条件,自己能活 着回去的,也不会飞往印度洋或哈萨克斯坦,那样没出路也没必要。但飞到最后油料耗尽了…&h ellip; 当马来西亚政府确认飞机燃料耗尽后,定下策略隐瞒真相,公布了飞机失联信息。接着误导国际社会,制造了努力 但找不到飞机的假象。 马来西亚政府为什么说谎? 因为劫机者的政治诉求如果被大众知道,会引起政治地震,同时如果让国际社会知道马来西亚政府拒绝劫机者要求 使飞机毁灭,马来西亚将名誉扫地! 但是,美国已经知道真相。马政府努力把事件伪装成一起普通的航空事故或者一个永远找不飞机残骸的迷,然后赔 偿家属了事。但波音公司受不了,他们不愿背上飞机有质量问题的黑锅,于是波音公司和美国政府公布了飞机在失 联后又飞了5个小时的铁证。在铁证面前,马政府被迫承认是劫机事件,不是飞机技术故障。 事实上,美国早已知道全部真相,包括飞机最后飞到那里,但美国只发布对自己有利的,以此要挟马政府好获取巨 大政治利益
    Some of us can't read mandarin chinese. It would be courteous of you to post a translation along with it.

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    Malaysia Airlines hijacking the truth? Malaysia Airlines was hijacked, and the hijackers presented to the Government of Malaysia and the Malaysian political demands related to domestic politics, the Ma administration after receiving the hijackers' demands, after five hours of negotiations, the hijackers agreed to last no The demands of the hijackers on the plane while waiting to no avail and finally ran out of fuel ...... Ma government aircraft from start to finish all know where! After learning that the plane ran out of fuel, the Macedonian Government decided to crash the event described as a conventional air to avert a humanitarian pressure, avoid other political forces knew the hijackers political aspirations. Why airplane exhumation Malaysia? Because the demands of the hijackers and the Malaysian government related. Who are the hijackers? Crew. What are the demands of the hijackers? Is to ask the government to immediately release political prisoners Ma Anwar - March 7, the Court of Appeal to overturn the Malaysian opposition leader Anwar sodomy acquittal verdict, aged 66, former Deputy Prime Minister Anwar said the government attempted to use The allegation ruin his political career. If the government promised to release Anwar horses, hijackers will ensure the safety of aircraft and aircraft malfunction foreign claims, return to a landing at the airport in Malaysia, otherwise it will destroy the aircraft. Why hijackers close communication links with the ground navigation? Because the hijackers naive enough to think the Ma administration will concern more than 230 lives and agreed to their terms! The hijackers are alive and hope to go back! So after the hijacking of aircraft navigation and communication unit shut down and start up with Malaysia Airlines headquarters intercom equipment, because before making demands of the hijackers do not want to know that the plane was hijacked navigation station, after the government agreed to the conditions for the horse, the aircraft was able to fault landed by the decent. Why hijackers had been flying? Because the hijackers had been waiting for the Ma administration's response. Why Malaysia announced the aircraft lost contact after five hours lost contact? Because the Macedonian Government and the hijackers are bargaining, in which five hours beneath the aircraft did not linked, communication between the Macedonian Government and the hijackers had been smooth, and the Ma administration also hopes to persuade the hijackers unconditionally abandon hijacking, and therefore can not release information. In fact, the aircraft has been on constantly cruising near the exhumation Malaysia, waiting for the Macedonian Government's reply. Northwest finally disappeared from radar. The main demands of the hijackers is Malaysia's domestic political matter, there is no need to fly to other countries. Moreover, the hijackers is hoped that the Government promised condition, he can go back alive, nor to the Indian Ocean or Kazakhstan, so no way it is not necessary. But finally flew fuel runs out ...... when the Malaysian government confirmed the plane ran out of fuel, the set strategy to conceal the truth, announced the plane lost contact information. Then mislead the international community, creating the illusion of effort but could not find the aircraft. Why Malaysian government lie? Because the hijackers political demands to know if the public will cause a political earthquake, and if the international community to know that the hijackers asked the Malaysian government refused to destroy the aircraft, Malaysia will discredited! However, the United States has to know the truth. Horse disguised as government efforts to events together, or a general aviation accidents are not lost forever to find the wreckage, and compensation for the families of the matter. But Boeing can not stand, they are reluctant to back the quality of the blame aircraft, so Boeing and the U.S. government announced the aircraft lost contact after flying five hours of irrefutable evidence. In the face of irrefutable evidence, the government was forced to admit that the horse hijackings, not the aircraft technical faults. In fact, the United States knew the whole truth, including aircraft finally flew out there, but the United States is only released to their advantage, in order to blackmail the government a good horse to get huge political interests

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    Some of us can't read mandarin chinese. It would be courteous of you to post a translation along with it.
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    Well, it seems Google had been used to draft this pamphlet, with the help of Apple's map system. How else would Macedonia suddenly appear on screen here?
    To me, the Malaysian government is not able to stage anything of that scale. Even the Anwar story smells of horse manure and this is only a small domestic thing.
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    Really feel for the families. Imagine that I'd also find it really hard to find closure. One of the earliest stages of loss/grief is denial. As long as they don't see any evidence (e.g., wreckage), conspiracy theories will surely abound, no matter how 'out there' they are.

    In this case, wreckage was found only 50 years later.

    In August 1947 a British Avro Lancastrian airliner, named Star Dust crashed into a mountain in the Argentine Andes during a routine flight from Buenos Aires to Santiago in Chile. Searches for the aircraft came up blank and conspiracy theories soon emerged that pointed the finger at saboteurs and - after confusion over the final coded transmission to Santiago airport - even aliens. The speculation was eventually put to rest 50 years later when mountaineers stumbled across the remnants of the plane's wreckage and experts concluded that the crew had been confused by poor weather and accidentally started their descent too soon.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26531675
    http://www.damninteresting.com/the-star-dust-mystery/

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    Do you think Malaysia has the political will, money and capability to find and recover the aircraft?
    Salvage of MH370 extremely difficult, academics say
    http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...s-say-20140325

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    Well that's why declaring a total loss early is useful... so the insurance kicks in.
    If we don't find anything soon, I doubt if the other nations will search for prolonged periods. Already Tony Abbot has cautioned that it's not an indefinite search.

    MAS is already losing money, so the search won't be continued forever..

    An easy place to dispose of the plane and I am not convinced that it's a simple crash..
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    Quote Originally Posted by petetherock View Post
    An easy place to dispose of the plane and I am not convinced that it's a simple crash..
    A video about this.


    http://galacticconnection.com/flight...a-heres-proof/

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    Quote Originally Posted by petetherock View Post
    MAS is already losing money, so the search won't be continued forever..
    Why not?

    MAS is well-placed for an extended search as it has got limitless free fuel from Petronas.

    Malaysia is a resource rich country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    He's prob one of those Area 51 / Roswell UFO Crash folks..... :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dfive View Post
    He's prob one of those Area 51 / Roswell UFO Crash folks..... :/
    ha ha, he looks like a nut case.

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    Agree with you on this... his theory too far out with plenty of holes in it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dfive View Post
    He's prob one of those Area 51 / Roswell UFO Crash folks..... :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    ha ha, he looks like a nut case.
    Quote Originally Posted by s1221ljc View Post
    Agree with you on this... his theory too far out with plenty of holes in it.
    Aliens came from outer space used a ray gun and transported the plane to area 51 via teleportal tunnels to diego garcia... yeah... thats what happened..
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    The lawsuits have begun..
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    In the press conference today, an OZ reporter asked the panel (3 persons standing on the stage) several questions directed to the MAS CEO, who obviously was NOT present.

    The 3 panel members were clearly introduced to the media at the start of the media conference. (see 9:00 to 9:21 of video)

    The OZ reporter was still totally blur after so many days of covering the MH370 case and attending numerous press conferences on all the previous days. She could not recognise the MAS CEO whose photo appeared in the newspapers and TV news for past 2 weeks.

    This is the (low) quality of the foreign press corp.

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    Saw this potential Hollywood scenario from a comment posted by someone in straitstime.
    Personally i don't believe is true, but interesting to read.....





    Americans were withdrawing from Afghanistan. One of their command and control systems (used for controlling pilotless
    drones) was hijacked by the Talebans when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Talebans ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014
    What the Talebans want is money. They want to sell the system to the Russians or the Chinese. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, All the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it. Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile the Americans engaged the assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.
    The Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and the Americans will not hijack or harm the civilian. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.
    There are 5 American and Israeli agents onboard who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports
    could be among them.
    When MH370 was about to leave the Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

    How the AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all the Boeings could be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.
    The 5 American/Israeli agents soon took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.
    The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.
    The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and
    then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing),
    refuelled and continued its flight to Garcia Deigo, the American Air
    Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe "dead men tell no tales." MH370 with dead passengers were air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, make it to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, and blame the defiant captain and copilot.
    Americans have put up a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with some conflicting statement and evidence to confuse the world. The
    Australian is the co-actor?
    The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first the South China Sea, then the Malacca Straits and the Indian Ocean is
    unprecedented. This showed that the China is very concerned, not so much because of the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.
    Don't believe the story? I don't expect you to but let's wait and see how the episode unveils itself. Or perhaps it will never be known until the next Snowden emerges. Truth will emerge - we have the patience of undertakers.......

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    Story does not make sense. See map. China shares a border with Afghanistan & can directly send the items over land route. No need to make silly air trip to KL and then to Beijing.


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    Sounds reasonable.. fits into my own idea of a conspiracy to bring the plane down to get a precious cargo / person.. then set the plane to 'crash' into one of the deepest oceans on earth.. neat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    Story does not make sense. See map. China shares a border with Afghanistan & can directly send the items over land route. No need to make silly air trip to KL and then to Beijing.

    That would be too obvious, not to mention that the operation would be vulnerable to Hellfire missile strikes. Right? So easy for the ENEMY to strike back at you.
    But if you go thru civilian means, as mentioned, more difficult for enemy, albeit more troublesome for yourself too.

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    http://www.todayonline.com/commentar...-mh370-tragedy

    Finally someone dares to write about what everyone knows:

    Amid the confusion of varying reports about the state of the search effort, an abiding impression was created of a lack of competence on the part of the Malaysian authorities.
    Organisational leaders and operational managers must be selected on the basis of competency and not political suitability. It is too late to learn on the job during a crisis.
    Contingency agencies must have a deep culture of competency. This requires meritocratic selection of talent, transparency of performance and accountability of responsibility. It is clear that these qualities are not strengths of the Malaysian system and the results were clear for all to see over the past three weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    In the press conference today, an OZ reporter asked the panel (3 persons standing on the stage) several questions directed to the MAS CEO, who obviously was NOT present.

    The 3 panel members were clearly introduced to the media at the start of the media conference. (see 9:00 to 9:21 of video)

    The OZ reporter was still totally blur after so many days of covering the MH370 case and attending numerous press conferences on all the previous days. She could not recognise the MAS CEO whose photo appeared in the newspapers and TV news for past 2 weeks.

    This is the (low) quality of the foreign press corp.

    [video]]
    Seriously, you expect people, especially white skin foreigners, to remember all these "faceless" officials with their "funny" names & titles like Chandran Ramamurthy CEO Malindo Air (what airline is that & why is he there instead of the MAS CEO?), Dato' Azharuddin Abdul Rahman Director General of Civil Aviation, including the previous military airforce chief, police chief etc? All remember Dato Hishammuddin only as he is at the center of it all. Or maybe the reporter thinks the MAS CEO is trying to "siam" so she ask the prepared questions to Hishammuddin anyway For this you pronounce the whole foreign press as of low quality???

    Btw, kindly provide the time (33:47) the reporter in question spoke. The video is so very long & you expect all to sit right through it only to find it near the end
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    The 3 panel members were clearly introduced to the media at the start of the media conference. (see 9:00 to 9:21 of video)
    Not just name but designation. (i.e. no MAS CEO present - never mind if cannot remember his name)

    Hishamuddin and the other two on the panel were speaking for a long time. She had a lot of time to figure out who is who.
    If a reporter was specially sent from OZ to MLY to cover this event, has been covering this matter only for the past 2 weeks; and still don't know who the MAS CEO is (he has appeared at numerous previous press conferences) then she is hopeless.


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