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    Quote Originally Posted by enenyi View Post
    Hahas, that's the best thing i've heard for the D600. At least my attempt to change to D610 via angry emails to Nikon Singapore and my at least 10 trips to NSC for sensor cleaning in 6 months have not been in vain!
    wow look like u can change to D610 congrats..

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    Quote Originally Posted by enenyi View Post
    Hahas, that's the best thing i've heard for the D600. At least my attempt to change to D610 via angry emails to Nikon Singapore and my at least 10 trips to NSC for sensor cleaning in 6 months have not been in vain!
    Lol I'm sure the staff more than happy to change for u and send u off..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by enenyi View Post
    Hahas, that's the best thing i've heard for the D600. At least my attempt to change to D610 via angry emails to Nikon Singapore and my at least 10 trips to NSC for sensor cleaning in 6 months have not been in vain!
    I thought from your posts you claim that the D600 problem is due to environment that affects all Nikon dslrs & asks owners to live with it (& not to complain). Like here in another thread where you were pissed that the matter was brought up again. If indeed the D610 has the same problem as you say what's the point of replacement?

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    No idea y u even bring this up at all. Either to update us on outdated information or implicity taking a swipe at D600 users, i dun bother.

    One thing that needs to be clarified: the D600 black spot issue. As a D600 user, i'm plagued by it and had gone to Nikon Service Centre (NSC) 9 times in 4 months to clean sensor + replace camera + replace sensor. However, i can say that the black spot is really due to environment. The D610 is not entirely 'free' from this problem either. Just peek into NSC's sample D610 on display and u would observe more black spots popping up than u would in a D600.

    I believe this applies not just to D600 and D610, but to all other cameras as well (D800, D4, Canon 5DMk3 etc). It's not the fault of the specific model itself, it's the fault of the manufacturer who has designed it in a way that environmental dust gets in so easily. So we cant do much abt it, can only live with it. In that case, how about stop pointing fingers at the designers and manufacturers of the D600 and instead find ways to solve the problem such that the black spot issue becomes less of a problem to u when u shoot?
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    Anyway, good to hear there's finally some relief for D600 owners. Only I am not sure Nikon will replace the D600 with the D610 & for free. This based on what the advisory stated to only replace with new D600 (not D610) or equivalent model (not clearly stated as D610). Also, if shutter/parts replacements solve the problem, there is no replacement, of new D600, much less D610. Hope Nikon don't fudge on this again.

    For info, my D700 has crossed the 90,000 shutter count. No dust at all & everything works perfectly. Same for my FM2 which lasted 2o+ years without a single servicing. This is the type of quality I truly appreciates & one reason why I love Nikon products
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    Quote Originally Posted by s1221ljc View Post
    I thought from your posts you claim that the D600 problem is due to environment that affects all Nikon dslrs & asks owners to live with it (& not to complain). Like here in another thread where you were pissed that the matter was brought up again. If indeed the D610 has the same problem as you say what's the point of replacement?

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    No idea y u even bring this up at all. Either to update us on outdated information or implicity taking a swipe at D600 users, i dun bother.

    One thing that needs to be clarified: the D600 black spot issue. As a D600 user, i'm plagued by it and had gone to Nikon Service Centre (NSC) 9 times in 4 months to clean sensor + replace camera + replace sensor. However, i can say that the black spot is really due to environment. The D610 is not entirely 'free' from this problem either. Just peek into NSC's sample D610 on display and u would observe more black spots popping up than u would in a D600.

    I believe this applies not just to D600 and D610, but to all other cameras as well (D800, D4, Canon 5DMk3 etc). It's not the fault of the specific model itself, it's the fault of the manufacturer who has designed it in a way that environmental dust gets in so easily. So we cant do much abt it, can only live with it. In that case, how about stop pointing fingers at the designers and manufacturers of the D600 and instead find ways to solve the problem such that the black spot issue becomes less of a problem to u when u shoot?
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    Anyway, good to hear there's finally some relief for D600 owners. Only I am not sure Nikon will replace the D600 with the D610 & for free. This based on what the advisory stated to only replace with new D600 (not D610) or equivalent model (not clearly stated as D610). Also, if shutter/parts replacements solve the problem, there is no replacement, of new D600, much less D610. Hope Nikon don't fudge on this again.

    For info, my D700 has crossed the 90,000 shutter count. No dust at all & everything works perfectly. This is the type of quality I truly appreciates & why I love Nikon
    I spent a fair bit of time dealing with similar issues with Nikon. After reflecting carefully about the change of attitude of many hardcore fan-boys & long time Nikon users into somewhat anti-Nikon or even jumpshipped to other brands... yet on the other hand some previously not-so-supportive users of Nikon or even Canon or Sony users become small-time apologists for the QC hit-&-miss by Nikon in the recent years, it tells a lot about human behaviour. No one is to blame & we are all just passionate about our hobby or work.

    We have had good times to be honest, the D700 & D3 days, those good days shooting with Nikon gear & spending more time thinking about improving photography rather then ruminating about dusts & back-focusing issues. Nikon did well back then. Everyone makes mistakes.

    I'm not sure whether the severity of recent QC matters and the D600 CCTV expose will make or break Nikon. I don't think we wanted that to happen, but since it did, let's hope for the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s1221ljc View Post
    I thought from your posts you claim that the D600 problem is due to environment that affects all Nikon dslrs & asks owners to live with it (& not to complain). Like here in another thread where you were pissed that the matter was brought up again. If indeed the D610 has the same problem as you say what's the point of replacement?

    Anyway, good to hear there's finally some relief for D600 owners. Only I am not sure Nikon will replace the D600 with the D610 & for free. This based on what the advisory stated to only replace with new D600 (not D610) or equivalent model (not clearly stated as D610). Also, if shutter/parts replacements solve the problem, there is no replacement, of new D600, much less D610. Hope Nikon don't fudge on this again.

    For info, my D700 has crossed the 90,000 shutter count. No dust at all & everything works perfectly. Same for my FM2 which lasted 2o+ years without a single servicing. This is the type of quality I truly appreciates & one reason why I love Nikon products
    Nothing concerning the D600. It's just Singaporean mentality. If u had persistent problems with your iPhone 5 and u r now given the opportunity to upgrade to a new iPhone 5s for free, would u take it or leave it? So i'm rejoicing not because the problem is solved, but i may get the 'latest' DSLR for free...

    And anyway i'm not a gear-collector of any sort. I'm just a photographer that loves to take photos. Only that now I've got dust spots that destroy my photos. I can work with any brand of camera, with any lens, as long as the photo comes out satisfactory. And I stick with Nikon coz my first DSLR was a Nikon D90. So no Nikon fanboy talk plz...

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    Quote Originally Posted by enenyi View Post
    Nothing concerning the D600. It's just Singaporean mentality. If u had persistent problems with your iPhone 5 and u r now given the opportunity to upgrade to a new iPhone 5s for free, would u take it or leave it? So i'm rejoicing not because the problem is solved, but i may get the 'latest' DSLR for free...
    I agree. I had replaced my shutter just before the expiry last November. After using for about 2 months, the dust appeared. I can leave with this problem at least for now, cause I don't normally shoot above f19. I can foresee going back for cleaning again. If given the opportunity, I don't mind paying a nominal price for an upgrade or replacement.

    Well, lets see if they are open for this option in the near future.

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    I agree. I had replaced my shutter just before the expiry last November. After using for about 2 months, the dust appeared. I can leave with this problem at least for now, cause I don't normally shoot above f19. I can foresee going back for cleaning again. If given the opportunity, I don't mind paying a nominal price for an upgrade or replacement.

    Well, lets see if they are open for this option in the near future.
    They opened it already with their last statement for free in very serious cases.

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    I think it is prudent to shoot no smaller aperture than f8 or f11 depending on yours lens, unless you are out to get the slowest shutter speed possible in daylight or without an ND filter. The effects of diffraction are very noticeable on 24 mpx, & the image tends to become very flat.

    In times of emergency, e.g. you are overseas shooting landscapes and you notice dust on your sensor & have no way to clean it, I think even f5.6 is acceptable. Too many people are shooting too small an aperture beyond their DOF needs. The only concern then becomes field curvature & corner sharpness, which is a non-issue near to infinity focus & for most good lenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by surrephoto View Post
    I think it is prudent to shoot no smaller aperture than f8 or f11 depending on yours lens, unless you are out to get the slowest shutter speed possible in daylight or without an ND filter. The effects of diffraction are very noticeable on 24 mpx, & the image tends to become very flat.
    This is the first time i hear this... that shooting at too small an aperture makes a landscape picture looks flat...

    Amazing..

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    Quote Originally Posted by enenyi View Post
    Nothing concerning the D600.... So no Nikon fanboy talk plz...
    Me a Nikon fan-boy? Nah, I admire & lusts after products from Nikon, Canon, Olympus,Pentax et al because they are all great & attractive in their own ways. I only said it to point out that your claim that its an "environment" & "design" issue that affect all Nikon camera models is untrue. And that telling people to keep quiet & accept the issue when you clearly do not (from your previous posts), is imho quite hypocritical. Everyone can tell that its a D600 issue -from the forums,reviews, news & personal experience. And It's only bad corporate practices that put me off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by s1221ljc View Post
    Me a Nikon fan-boy? Nah, I admire & lusts after products from Nikon, Canon, Olympus,Pentax et al because they are all great & attractive in their own ways. I only said it to point out that your claim that its an "environment" & "design" issue that affect all Nikon camera models is untrue. And that telling people to keep quiet & accept the issue when you clearly do not (from your previous posts), is imho quite hypocritical. Everyone can tell that its a D600 issue -from the forums,reviews, news & personal experience. And It's only bad corporate practices that put me off.
    I think u r looking at my post on its own, so u took it out of context. The reason y i said all those was to reply to a fellow CSer who posted an entry that seemed to highlight the D600 issue objectively, but was implicitly trying to shoot down current D600 users and try to impress that other brands were better. I was instead trying to highlight the fact that just because the D600 has problems with dust doesnt mean it is a bad camera( hint: "good luck all D600 user"), and simply pointing out to him that the dust issues also plague other camera models, not just the D600. And doesnt mean potential buyers shouldnt buy the D600 either. Go back and read that few posts that the person posted and see if u would reply along the lines I typed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s1221ljc View Post
    Anyway, good to hear there's finally some relief for D600 owners. Only I am not sure Nikon will replace the D600 with the D610 & for free. This based on what the advisory stated to only replace with new D600 (not D610) or equivalent model (not clearly stated as D610). Also, if shutter/parts replacements solve the problem, there is no replacement, of new D600, much less D610. Hope Nikon don't fudge on this again.

    For info, my D700 has crossed the 90,000 shutter count. No dust at all & everything works perfectly. Same for my FM2 which lasted 2o+ years without a single servicing. This is the type of quality I truly appreciates & one reason why I love Nikon products
    By the way, to add on to my previous comment, try telling "if shutter/parts replacements solve the problem, there is no replacement, of new D600, much less D610" to someone who has gone to NSC over 10 times in 6 months to change the shutter to the latest one, exchange with NSC for a replacement D600 (after angry email exchanges with Nikon Singapore Marketing), change shutter for the replacement D600 model, and still get plagued by dust issues. Y cant I be like u where "my D700 has crossed the 90,000 shutter count. No dust at all & everything works perfectly"? I enjoy the D600 for the picture it gives me, but it is wrong and 'hypocritical' to ask for a new D610 (which I see as a D600 with 3 extra features)? And if the spots dont go away no matter how u clean it, is it wrong to advise fellow D600 users to work around the problem instead of whining about the problems?

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    Nice to see Nikon Singapore also updated with the latest service advisory, similar to USA. More service advisory on details of product replacement coming soon. Hope they based on serial no for replacement which I suspect oil/dust problem on early batches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NikF601 View Post
    Nice to see Nikon Singapore also updated with the latest service advisory, similar to USA. More service advisory on details of product replacement coming soon. Hope they based on serial no for replacement which I suspect oil/dust problem on early batches.
    Why would you hope it would be based on serial numbers? There is no indiaction that's the case otherwise they would have based their last advisory already on that.

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    I bought the D600 because I know I will get free cleaning & free shutter replacement. Best deal, ever.

    I'm still loving the camera.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenslust View Post
    I bought the D600 because I know I will get free cleaning & free shutter replacement. Best deal, ever.

    I'm still loving the camera.
    LOL! Same here...

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    My first D600 was bought in 2012 at 2.5k 2nd hand during the initial launch. My 2nd D600 was bought 2nd hand too in 2013 at 1.5k with extra batt when people were dumping it due to the dust issue. When nikon announced free cleaning and free shutter replacement. I sent both to NSC for servicing and both came back with new shutter unit. Overall am a happy man ^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lawrence Quek View Post
    LOL! Same here...
    Some prefers to focus on the bad, and can't enjoy the toy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lenslust View Post
    Some prefers to focus on the bad, and can't enjoy the toy.
    I cant enjoy the toy when at below f/8 without having to photoshop the final images to clone out the dark spots...landscape photography becomes a hassle...so sad

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    Quote Originally Posted by enenyi View Post
    I cant enjoy the toy when at below f/8 without having to photoshop the final images to clone out the dark spots...landscape photography becomes a hassle...so sad
    Post Processing is part of photography.

    Just like EZLink Card is for EZ (read: Easy) access through gantry, many put into wallet, bags, with other RFID cards (office, FlashPay, additional EZLink cards), then complain cannot scan the card then say it's not as 'EZ' as claimed.

    Expectations are part of life, but over-expecting something will make life more miserable.

    And yes, I also do landscapes on the D600, I've been editing the dots as well, just enjoy the PP process. It's cleaner than my D4 btw, my D4's more dirty.

    Anyway, just my 2c, I just want to advise people to enjoy the process than to worry, not trying to slam anybody nor put anybody down.

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