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    • The new Ukraine government was just formed and the bully muscled its way in.

    • Singapore was in similar danger, at the time of separation in 1965.

    • This is why a strong SAF is needed.

    • Cannot depend too much on big powers to protect SG. Especially when SG has no oil. Kuwait & Saudi Arabia are different. In 1st gulf war, USA immediately rushed into Saudi Arabia with a huge army to protect it and get back Kuwait from Sadam. Because of USA self interest in oil.

    • Ukraine has no oil. USA and UK are just talking, talking, talking, .....threatening not to attend a G8 meeting in response to Russia grabbing a big chunk of Ukraine, is a joke.

    • This is a wake up call for Japan and Israel, that they can no longer rely on USA for protection.

    • Obama may be a good man but he is not a war time president. Obama is weak. Putin knows it. Putin would never dare to do this if a US president like Ronald Reagan was around.
    Ronald Reagan left the US a huge deficit and Obama had to contend with an even larger deficit. The West is short on cash now.

    And there are plenty of ways for countries like China to **** us up without having to even deal with us militarily. Singapore will always be on the losing end of an argument.

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    Highly fappable Russia Today news anchor quits on air because she can't stand Pudding.

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    • In every country, there will always be local ruffians and thuggish gangsters willing to pledge loyalty to new foreign invader power. This is because in the normal run of things, these local thugs are down and out at the fringes of society. With the new foreign invader, these local thugs see a chance to become rich and powerful. To get the things and life style they never had.

    • Foreign invaders have always used this element of local thugs to get a false air of legitimacy. The local thugs will be used to terrorise the local population of victim country. The foreign invader will then say to the rest of the world - see, the local population want us to be in charge. The foreign invader may even call a "referendum" where anyone objecting would be attacked by the local thugs. The manufactured result of the "referendum" will then be used to justify to the rest of the world --- the foreign invader power takeover of the victim country.

    • Indonesia did try that in East Timor, until a more powerful International Force for East Timor (INTERFET) military force organised and led by OZ stopped the local thugs terrorising (on behalf of Indonesia) the East Timor population.

    • Russia will do the same in Crimea. The local thug that Russia installed as prime minister of Crimea actually only managed to win 3% of the Crimea vote.

    Crimea sets referendum on joining Russia
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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    Another small country just got screwed by the big boys.
    Russia aside, Ukraine is the largest country in Europe with a geographical area of 603,700 km² but going by the Order of Battle (ORBAT (figures on paper)) alone, even we have a much more capable armed forces in fact we have the 22nd largest military expenditure (at 3.6% of our GDP) in the world (probably the highest if compared directly against population density). Just something to note for those constantly calling for National Service (NS) to be abolish with the mentality that it is not required in this day and age and thinking that if **** ever hits the fan, some white knight in shiny armour will come to our rescue.

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    You should also add "invade over invented evidence of weapons of destruction"
    False flag covert operation is a commonly used tactic, especially if a belligerent ever needs a casus belli but couldn't come up with one legitimately.




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    Highly fappable Russia Today news anchor quits on air because she can't stand Pudding.
    Russia Today (RT) response.

    Probably she'll love to join Fox News Channel (FNC) as a host of her own talk show next, excellent audition material.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    May not be bad for Ukraine in the long run.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    • In every country, there will always be local ruffians and thuggish gangsters willing to pledge loyalty to new foreign invader power. This is because in the normal run of things, these local thugs are down and out at the fringes of society. With the new foreign invader, these local thugs see a chance to become rich and powerful. To get the things and life style they never had.

    • Foreign invaders have always used this element of local thugs to get a false air of legitimacy. The local thugs will be used to terrorise the local population of victim country. The foreign invader will then say to the rest of the world - see, the local population want us to be in charge. The foreign invader may even call a "referendum" where anyone objecting would be attacked by the local thugs. The manufactured result of the "referendum" will then be used to justify to the rest of the world --- the foreign invader power takeover of the victim country.

    • Indonesia did try that in East Timor, until a more powerful International Force for East Timor (INTERFET) military force organised and led by OZ stopped the local thugs terrorising (on behalf of Indonesia) the East Timor population.

    • Russia will do the same in Crimea. The local thug that Russia installed as prime minister of Crimea actually only managed to win 3% of the Crimea vote.

    Crimea sets referendum on joining Russia
    70% of Crimeans voted for the original thug, Yakunovich. The current one is the back up.

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    Putin is only interested in the physical land territory of Crimea. Putin does not care about the ethnic Russians who are Ukraine citizens although he claims to invade Crimea to protect them.

    Assume that this scenario plays out:

    • Russia grabs Crimea and other large parts of east Ukraine, using thugs to threaten Ukrainians in the "referendum".

    • The Crimean ethnic Russians who chose to be absorbed into Russia will live to regret it. Their children and grand children will curse them for making that bad choice. The most dangerous part of this choice, is that they can get in but they cannot get out. By the time they realise what a bad choice it is and regret - it is too late. Be careful what they wish for because they may just get it.

    • They will become 3rd class citizens in a Russian dictatorship with gulags, concentration camps, repression, oligarchs and no future. They lost their FREEDOM.

    • Fast forward 50 years from today. You know what? Look at the low quality of life of North Koreans compared to wealth of South Koreans. The ethnic Russian Ukraine citizens who opt to be absorbed into Russia will face the same misery that North Koreans face today.

    • West Ukraine will link with Europe and prosper. Just like how Poland has prospered today.
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    McCain: Obama's ''feckless'' foreign policy invited Ukraine crisis


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    McCain: Obama's ''feckless'' foreign policy invited Ukraine crisis

    YouTube Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXwJ5q7M0uw
    You are quoting an old coot who refuses to apologise for the Iraqi war that left half a million dead? Seriously? Why are you even supporting any side anyway?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    Putin is only interested in the physical land territory of Crimea. Putin does not care about the ethnic Russians who are Ukraine citizens although he claims to invade Crimea to protect them.

    Assume that this scenario plays out:

    • Russia grabs Crimea and other large parts of east Ukraine, using thugs to threaten Ukrainians in the "referendum".

    • The Crimean ethnic Russians who chose to be absorbed into Russia will live to regret it. Their children and grand children will curse them for making that bad choice. The most dangerous part of this choice, is that they can get in but they cannot get out. By the time they realise what a bad choice it is and regret - it is too late. Be careful what they wish for because they may just get it.

    • They will become 3rd class citizens in a Russian dictatorship with gulags, concentration camps, repression, oligarchs and no future. They lost their FREEDOM.

    • Fast forward 50 years from today. You know what? Look at the low quality of life of North Koreans compared to wealth of South Koreans. The ethnic Russian Ukraine citizens who opt to be absorbed into Russia will face the same misery that North Koreans face today.

    • West Ukraine will link with Europe and prosper. Just like how Poland has prospered today.
    You do know that many ethnic Russians face persecution in Latvia and Lithuania right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NazgulKing View Post
    You do know that many ethnic Russians face persecution in Latvia and Lithuania right?
    Russophobia sentiment is pretty prevalent in many former Eastern Bloc of the Soviet Union. Many former minority Russians from Lithuania and Poland are now residing within the Kaliningrad Oblast, an exclave of the Russian Federation situated between those two nations and one of Russian Federation top performing regional economies with the fastest annual Gross Domestic Product (GDP) growth due to its Special Economic Zone (SEZ) status.
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    Alarm: Putin Will Not Stop With Crimea. Paper-Tiger Obama Will Do Nothing

    Ukraine's situation was discussed in SG parliament. Because it has implications for SG's survival as a small state.

    Uncle Sam who was supposed to protect others, is broke, war weary after Iraq and Afghanistan, has a president who only knows how to say he won't attend G8 meeting - in response to an armed invasion. This kind of lame duck response only invites more aggression.

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    Tell you all what. If you are going to keep believing the spiel out in the bulk of the Anglo-American press, at least read this bit which is far more balanced.

    http://nationalinterest.org/commenta...0zzHk.facebook

    The choice bits:

    It has yet to be reported in major western newspapers that the new government installed in Ukraine on February 26, after the deposition and flight of Viktor Yanukovych, includes eight figures associated with Ukraine’s far right. The positions they have filled are not insignificant. They include deputy prime minister, chief prosecutor, defense minister and head of the national-security council, portfolios where the coercive power of the state resides. Svoboda, the main nationalist party, has made some attempt to shed its fascist lineage, but the World Jewish Congress last year asked the EU to consider banning it, and there is much in its history and outlook that should be deeply troubling to westerners. Dmytro Yarosh, head of the “Right Sector,” is Deputy Secretary of National Security in the interim government; among his comrades are men who joined in fighting the Russians in Chechnya, and who see the Chechens as their allies. Right Sector is a paramilitary organization, like Greece’s Golden Dawn; their entry into a European government is an important milestone, and not of the celebratory sort.

    The amazing thing is that the composition of the new government has attracted no attention. None of the major newspapers—I checked the FT, New York Times, and Wall Street Journal—had seen fit to report it (as of Saturday, March 8, two weeks after the announcements). On March 5, Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com published a full investigation; Raimando’s column was itself partially based on a March 5 story by Britain’s Channel 4. But it is still not news in mainstream media land.

    Incredibly, the Times’ stories of February 26 and 27, reporting the composition of the government, made no mention of the success of Svoboda and Right Sector in gaining key government portfolios; instead, the gist of the stories was on the order of “previously obscure citizens gain government posts, after having led demonstrations.” It was difficult to see the transition as anything other than a wholesome tribute to civil society, with ordinary people seizing control of their own affairs: here a doctor helping out with field hospitals, now made the minister of health, there a protest organizer, now crowned minister of youth and sports. One guy, whom the Times called the Ryan Seacrest of the civic uprising, gets the culture ministry; another, a female journalist, lands the leadership of an anti-corruption bureau that doesn’t yet exist. David Herszenhorn of the Times did mention, at the end of his piece, that “Andrew Parubiy, a member of Parliament and leader of the protest movement, was chosen as the head of the national security council.” But he did not mention that Parubiy, in Channel 4’s summary, was the founder of the Social National Party of Ukraine, a fascist party styled on Hitler's Nazis, with membership restricted to ethnic Ukrainians. The Social National Party would go on to become Svoboda, the far-right nationalist party whose leader Oleh Tyahnybok was one of the three most high profile leaders of the Euromaidan protests—negotiating directly with the Yanukovych regime.

    The Economist has also not seen fit to mention the presence of Svoboda and Right Sector in the government. In its latest briefing it writes, cryptically: “Right wing extremists and nationalists did take part in the revolution, but they do not control the government.” In other words, it’s a non-issue and not worth reporting.

    The ideological outlook of Svoboda and other elements of the Ukrainian far-right are explored by Pers Anders Rudling, a professor at Lund University in Sweden, who was interviewed by Channel 4. In a 2013 book chapter available on his personal website, “The Return of the Ukrainian Far Right: The Case of VO Svoboda,” he traces the efforts of the preceding Ukrainian president, Viktor Yushchenko, to revise historical understanding by rehabilitating “perpetrators of mass ethnic violence against national minorities.” By glorifying Stepan Bandera and other OUN (Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists) leaders as national heroes, “Yushchenko and his legitimizing historians helped mobilize the neo-fascist hard right. With few exceptions, democratic Ukrainian politicians and intellectuals failed to speak up or quietly went along with a cult of the OUN that celebrated [its leaders] out of context and treated them as the persons they would have liked them to be, rather than the ideologues and political activists they actually were.”
    Western media is horribly biased against the Russians. This bit from FoxNews has always been a nice tidbit that utterly epitomizes this.


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    All Russian dictators for centuries have never cared about ordinary Russians - even those who live in Russia.
    Putin was a KGB secret police colonel. KGB was into imprisonment and torture.
    Caring for people's welfare is not Putin's strong suit.

    Cut the crap about Putin caring about the welfare of ethnic Russians in Crimea.
    It is a naked territory grab with an armed invasion.
    Any other country that shares a border with Russia needs to take note.

    26 Mar 2012
    Obama : "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
    Medvedev : "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir [Putin]."
    Obama & other EU leaders have it all worked out with Putin.
    The two big powers will make a big theatrical wayang.
    Obama will talk about diplomatic solution to Ukraine crisis. Kerry will talk about it. Merkel will talk about it.

    When the Russian annexation of Crimea is all over. When it is a done deal, they can stop talking.

    By which time some other big world event will arise, and everyone's attention will shift to that. All will forget about Crimea.

    Unfortunately Ukraine has little oil.
    If it was Saudi Arabia, USA would there in a flash with a huge army, air force & navy to defend it.

    It is all about self interest.
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    All Russian dictators for centuries have never cared about ordinary Russians - even those who live in Russia.
    Putin was a KGB secret police colonel. KGB was into imprisonment and torture.
    Caring for people's welfare is not Putin's strong suit.

    Cut the crap about Putin caring about the welfare of ethnic Russians in Crimea.
    It is a naked territory grab with an armed invasion.
    Any other country that shares a border with Russia needs to take note.



    Obama & other EU leaders have it all worked out with Putin.
    The two big powers will make a big theatrical wayang.
    Obama will talk about diplomatic solution to Ukraine crisis. Kerry will talk about it. Merkel will talk about it.

    When the Russian annexation of Crimea is all over. When it is a done deal, they can stop talking.

    By which time some other big world event will arise, and everyone's attention will shift to that. All will forget about Crimea.

    Unfortunately Ukraine has little oil.
    If it was Saudi Arabia, USA would there in a flash with a huge army, air force & navy to defend it.

    It is all about self interest.
    You really sure love your high horse pedestal posturing. Need a nice hat? What's all new about this? People take when they can take it. And yes, it has always been self-interest. Since when has it been any different? Every country, if they possessed the ability to do so and the ability to get away with it, would not hesitate to bully the nearest rival. It's fundamentally asinine human greed/stupidity etc.

    BTW, the US has the Monroe doctrine, which although seems rather less relevant now, was a major issue when there were Communist revolts throughout S. America during the Cold War. The doctrine was frequently invoked even well into the 80s and many S. American countries heavily resent it. Till this day, the Americans still heavily meddle with S. American affairs. You can bet the Americans are funding opposition groups in Venezuela in hopes of a US-friendly government in the country one day. Quite frankly, Russia is simply doing the same thing on its near abroad, even if the West might resent that.
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    Ukraine Conflict: Russian Warship Unloads Troops, Trucks At Kazachaya Bay Near Sevastopol

    The gangsterly underhand tactics like sending Russian soldiers without identifying insignia - reveals Putin's psychological profile as moulded by his formative years as a colonel of the KGB secret police.
    Similarly Russia's use of street thugs in Crimea to terrorise the rest of the Crimean population to get the manufactured result in their so-called "referendum".

    Putin is trying to create his legacy. Hence he is behaving in Little Emperor mode and will be discarded in the dustbin of history as a clumsy Adolf Hitler-wannabee.

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    Ukraine Conflict: Russian Warship Unloads Troops, Trucks At Kazachaya Bay Near Sevastopol

    The gangsterly underhand tactics like sending Russian soldiers without identifying insignia - reveals Putin's psychological profile as moulded by his formative years as a colonel of the KGB secret police.
    Similarly Russia's use of street thugs in Crimea to terrorise the rest of the Crimean population to get the manufactured result in their so-called "referendum".

    Putin is trying to create his legacy. Hence he is behaving in Little Emperor mode and will be discarded in the dustbin of history as a clumsy Adolf Hitler-wannabee.

    Photo credit: Myroslava Petsa
    Your pathetic knowledge of Russian history is obviously showing. His idol is Joseph Stalin you self righteous idiot. Russia has always been ruled by a dictator one way or another. So what's new?
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    You two are made for each other

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    Actually no.
    I never bother to quarrel. I only address the topic strictly and never attack other forum members.
    Just ignore the trolls. The trolls look for quarrels because this is what they live for.

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