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    Lessons for other nations - Part 1


    • The official reason for Russian armed invasion of Ukraine is: to protect Russian speaking people living in Ukraine.


    • That's ridiculous. The majority of these are not Russian citizens. They are Ukrainian citizens who can speak Russian. Some may be ethnic Russians who are Ukrainian citizens.


    • This ridiculous reason implies that:
    (for example) Germany can invade Switzerland on the pretext to "protect Swiss citizens who can speak German"
    (for example) Malaysia can invade Singapore on the pretext to "protect Singaporean citizens who can speak Malay"
    (for example) PRC can invade Singapore on the pretext to "protect Singaporean citizens who are ethnic Chinese & who can speak Mandarin"

    When a bully wants to take over your country or a big part of your country by force, any ridiculous reason will do.

    Some even manufacture/stage a fake show to create a reason. Hitler did that to invade Poland. Japan did that to invade China.
    I seem to recall that China did do some bossing of Malaysia or Indonesia on our behalf once, on that pretext alone.

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    Lessons for other nations - Part 1

    • The official reason for Russian armed invasion of Ukraine is: to protect Russian speaking people living in Ukraine.

    • That's ridiculous. The majority of these are not Russian citizens. They are Ukrainian citizens who can speak Russian. Some may be ethnic Russians who are Ukrainian citizens.

    • This ridiculous reason implies that:
    (for example) Germany can invade Switzerland on the pretext to "protect Swiss citizens who can speak German"
    (for example) Malaysia can invade Singapore on the pretext to "protect Singaporean citizens who can speak Malay"
    (for example) PRC can invade Singapore on the pretext to "protect Singaporean citizens who are ethnic Chinese & who can speak Mandarin"

    When a bully wants to take over your country or a big part of your country by force, any ridiculous reason will do.

    Some even manufacture/stage a fake show to create a reason. Hitler did that to invade Poland. Japan did that to invade China.
    You should also add "invade over invented evidence of weapons of destruction"

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    Ultimatum just issued by Moscow to Kiev for all Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea within Ukraine to surrender peacefully or face overwhelming force from possible military assaults [01] [02] [03].
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    Ultimatum just issued by Moscow to Kiev for all Ukrainian Armed Forces personnel in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea within Ukraine to surrender peacefully or face overwhelming force from possible military assaults [01] [02] [03].
    LL what to do?

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    Blardy Pudding, made the stock markets tank.
    Was going to take profits yesterday.

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    YouTube Video ID No. TRVDMMWOEQE

    Warning shots fired at Ukrainian soldiers who are marching towards the Russian occupied Sevastopol "Belbek" International Airport (UKS / UKFB) in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea within Ukraine while singing their national anthem "Shche ne vmerla Ukraina (Ukraine Has Not Yet Died)".

    Not surprisingly, Vladimir Putin is now labelling what is essentially the invasion of a sovereign nation, violating its territorial integrity in the process with the purpose of annexation / forced succession as a Humanitarian Assistance / Disaster Relief (HADR) operation.
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    Colonel Yuli Mamchor leads 300 unarmed Ukrainian Air Force personnel to retake Sevastopol "Belbek" International Airport (UKS / UKFB).
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    YouTube Video ID No. TRVDMMWOEQE

    Warning shots fired at Ukrainian soldiers who are marching towards the Russian occupied Sevastopol "Belbek" International Airport (UKS / UKFB) in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea within Ukraine while singing their national anthem "Shche ne vmerla Ukraina (Ukraine Has Not Yet Died)".

    Quote Originally Posted by Dialogue Exchange (English Translation)
    Russian soldier: Hold back.

    Russian soldier: I want your officer here. We'll be shooting your legs.

    Ukrainian soldier: You will pay for this. You'll be responsible.

    Ukrainian soldier: You're being filmed live.

    Ukrainian soldier: America stands with us.

    Ukrainian commander: Calm down!

    Ukrainian soldier: Are you going to shoot us?

    Ukrainian soldier: Look, this is our flag, we’re ready to fight.

    Russian soldier: Commander, calm down your crowd.

    Ukrainian soldier: This is not a crowd. This is a military unit.

    Russian soldier: We're waiting for our commander.

    Ukrainian commander: Yes, bring him here, please.

    Russian soldier: We will have negotiations. No questions.

    Ukrainian commander: Yes, negotiations.

    Russian soldier: Stop the crowd and make them behave. Hold back.

    Russian soldier: We are all military here.

    Ukrainian soldier: And we are also citizens of our country.

    Ukrainian commander: But because of one certain politician we are now at loggerheads. This is wrong.

    Russian soldier: Are you deliberately provoking us?

    Ukrainian soldier: How are we provoking you, we have no weapons?
    Not surprisingly, Vladimir Putin is now labelling what is essentially the invasion of a sovereign nation, violating its territorial integrity in the process with the purpose of annexation / forced succession as a Humanitarian Assistance / Disaster Relief (HADR) operation.
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    Putin repeatedly denied in a TV news conference that the soldiers without insignia in Ukraine are Russians or Russian soldiers.

    http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...rimea-20140304

    So technically those are terrorists of unknown origin.

    So of course, Russia would not mind if NATO came into Ukraine with 200,000 troops + 1,000 tanks and massacred those (terrorists) soldiers without insignia.
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    Putin still insists on denying that the troops without insignia are not Russian soldiers, when they are driving armoured vehicles with Russian licence plates & some have admitted on TV news that they are from Russia.

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel phoned Putin. After the telephone conversation, she said Putin seemed to be living in another world.

    It looks like Putin is a little bit insane.

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    Putin still insists on denying that the troops without insignia are not Russian soldiers, when they are driving armoured vehicles with Russian licence plates & some have admitted on TV news that they are from Russia.

    German Chancellor Angela Merkel phoned Putin. After the telephone conversation, she said Putin seemed to be living in another world.

    It looks like Putin is a little bit insane.
    The guy has nukes. He can afford to be insane.

    Quite frankly, the opposition govt in Kiev did itself no favours when the first thing it tried to do when it came to power was to ban the Russian language from official use. It would be like as if the Lee Kuan Yew tried to ban Malay as a language when he declared Singapore independent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NazgulKing View Post
    The guy has nukes. He can afford to be insane.

    Quite frankly, the opposition govt in Kiev did itself no favours when the first thing it tried to do when it came to power was to ban the Russian language from official use. It would be like as if the Lee Kuan Yew tried to ban Malay as a language when he declared Singapore independent.
    Never learn: S. W. R. D. Bandaranaike's "Sinhala Only Act" is one of sparks for the Sri Lanka civil war.

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    Never learn: S. W. R. D. Bandaranaike's "Sinhala Only Act" is one of sparks for the Sri Lanka civil war.
    The whole point of this entire military adventure is to force the Western Ukrainian govt to recognise that it has to attend to Moscow's needs whether it liked it or not.

    Of course, whether the govt can survive the intimidation is another question in itself. Putin seems to be angling for both the eventuality that the Western Ukrainian govt will either kowtow to his demands or disintegrate. Either of which would suit him.

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    Prediction from 2008 by Stratfor chairman...

    "The Russians will pull the Ukrainians into their alliance with Belarus and will have Russian forces all along the Polish border, and as far south as the Black Sea. This, I believe, will all take place by the mid-2010s."

    http://www.stratfor.com/weekly/ukrai...nt=ShareButton
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    Another analysis... especially with the Singapore perspective...

    http://www.singapolitics.sg/views/le...states-ukraine

    "Do not just listen to the sweet words of foreigners, however pleasing to the ear. We must calculate our own interests as clinically as we can and not let anyone beguile us into believing they know better.

    The West speaks often and eloquently of democracy and elections with a near religious fervour. The ousted Yanukovych government, whatever its failings, was popularly elected in a manner that just four years ago the US and the EU hailed as free and fair.

    Yet when the US and EU thought that it was in their interests, they did not hesitate to recognise the government that seized power in Kiev after President Viktor Yanukovych was forced from office. In doing so, they broke an agreement to hold new elections that had been signed by Mr Yanukovych, the Ukrainian opposition and the European foreign ministers themselves just weeks earlier."

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    Another analysis... especially with the Singapore perspective...

    http://www.singapolitics.sg/views/le...states-ukraine

    "Do not just listen to the sweet words of foreigners, however pleasing to the ear. We must calculate our own interests as clinically as we can and not let anyone beguile us into believing they know better.

    The West speaks often and eloquently of democracy and elections with a near religious fervour. The ousted Yanukovych government, whatever its failings, was popularly elected in a manner that just four years ago the US and the EU hailed as free and fair.

    Yet when the US and EU thought that it was in their interests, they did not hesitate to recognise the government that seized power in Kiev after President Viktor Yanukovych was forced from office. In doing so, they broke an agreement to hold new elections that had been signed by Mr Yanukovych, the Ukrainian opposition and the European foreign ministers themselves just weeks earlier."
    The comment on that page is funny. The real brutal truth is that this may be the 21st century, but 20th century power politics still hold sway and small states will always be at the mercies of the whims and fancies of superior powers. Anybody idealistic and stupid enough to believe otherwise will have his illusions wiped clean when a barrel of a gun is in his face. History is littered with the wreckages of city states. It will only be a matter of time before Singapore will have to confront the question of whether Independence is such a value to hold so dear at the expense of a chunk of the population.
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    • The new Ukraine government was just formed and the bully muscled its way in.

    • Singapore was in similar danger, at the time of separation in 1965.

    • This is why a strong SAF is needed.

    • Cannot depend too much on big powers to protect SG. Especially when SG has no oil. Kuwait & Saudi Arabia are different. In 1st gulf war, USA immediately rushed into Saudi Arabia with a huge army to protect it and get back Kuwait from Sadam. Because of USA self interest in oil.

    • Ukraine has no oil. USA and UK are just talking, talking, talking, .....threatening not to attend a G8 meeting in response to Russia grabbing a big chunk of Ukraine, is a joke.

    • This is a wake up call for Japan and Israel, that they can no longer rely on USA for protection.

    • Obama may be a good man but he is not a war time president. Obama is weak. Putin knows it. Putin would never dare to do this if a US president like Ronald Reagan was around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    Well, if Obama can wage wars and still WIN the Peace Prize, why not?

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