20th June 2005, 09:21 PM
Manual still have mechanical and electronics. Even hybrid electro-mechanic to make u even more confused. hehehe. Which one u want? how many pieces? or kilos? Garentee eat somemore.
20th June 2005, 09:23 PM
Nope.. You can't exactly mount filters on the Prego 90.. It's meant to be a P&S... And an extremely full featured one at that..
Originally Posted by Yin
I mean.. Which other P&S has user selectable +/- 3 ev exposure compensation, force focus to infinity, backlighting compensation, slow-sync flash etc...
20th June 2005, 09:35 PM
it's now the call of the heart VS function!
i REALLY need to hold them
it's OOT but i wonder how long will it take for mumps to go away? [.....]
20th June 2005, 11:20 PM
Do u need something able to change lens, set difference aperture/speed for creativity since u are an artist. Many P&S can't do that...
Originally Posted by Yin
20th June 2005, 11:33 PM
whoelse>i'm aiming to take almost spontaneous photographs of people, animals, or events around me. those are things that i cannot capture with drawing on the spot if it's something like zoo animals or sceneries that i can observe for a long period, i'll whip out my skethbook!
now looking at that kind of need, i know that p&s sounds more doable... but i WANT to learn to use manual cameras as well... and i can only buy ONE camera for now! argh?!
20th June 2005, 11:41 PM
and your budget? ask yr bf to sponser abit lah.
20th June 2005, 11:50 PM
20th June 2005, 11:56 PM
S$250 is possible to get the MX with decent lens mah.
21st June 2005, 12:05 AM
but will manual hinder me from taking quick snaps? people around me are frightening me with negative points
21st June 2005, 12:07 AM
before you choose
Too many opinions given to you.
I have owned prego 90. From my experience, it maybe not best for you.
Believe it or not, some of the correct recommendations made by many nice members to you were :
Nikon FM10 (or better still FM or FE) (FM2/FE2/FM3a a bit expensive)
Yashica FX3 (cheap but can take CZ lens)
Point and shoots:
Yashica T4 (or 5)
Contax T3 ( but very costly) or Contax T2
Olympus Mju II
You may not be able to see why now, but these are the right ones.
Last edited by ricohflex; 21st June 2005 at 12:17 AM.
21st June 2005, 12:34 AM
21st June 2005, 07:04 AM
Holy brocolli... u guys r fast in replies...thx v much fr ur hlp guys!
im using internet in my room on TV... the screen is freakin me out.. like... soething that is over 900 pixels is being squeezed into a 640x480 pix tv... sheesh.. u guys gotta see...
anyway... currently im using a pns camera made by minolta that maybe not many of u guys heard b4... its called Minolta TC-1... wonder of that name rings any bell... but tats deffinitely outta her budget...
my dear, im also a film shooter, mind u... juz tat im currently using digital fr d sake of convenience...
i remember reading someone who suggested about f80... i haf 1 currently... n i do plan to lend yin d camera if she needs it...
i do hope she could get a manual cam... so that at least i could lay my hands on it too... *evil grin* hopefully a nikon FM.. *wider evil grin* but that woud hafta depends on her liking too... even though i s2arted off with digital, i still haf a strong opinion that nothing beats the feel of film photography... (if i countinue, thiswould go OOT)
fr those who offer help to accompany us to some store, that would seeriously b a nice idea... i can look fwd to that... i did see this store in peninsula plaza, along the same corridor as CS, that has a HUGE collection of 2nd hand cams... fascinating... i do hope to b able to go 2here n take a look...
hmm... i'll discuss with her further regarding this matter... hopefully i would b able to settle my business here soon n return back to my home n take a look at the cams...
21st June 2005, 08:57 AM
ricohflex>checked on yashica T4 and it looks like quite a challenging camera to use! although it'll be rewarding once tamed... interesting!
detrop>what? you're missing the cam more than me? huh? huh??? if i'm to get myself a manual camera huh... i'm thinking pentax mx... but i'll have to touch them first!!!
21st June 2005, 10:05 AM
Yin, from what you have said, I am inclined to think that a PnS is most suitable for you since you are thinking of taking those fleeting moments, probably to sketch later on. With that in mind, perhaps you should not concern yourself too much on manual cameras with bulky lenses that might hinder you. These cameras, while giving much more superior pictures, require you to have them in your hand all the time as it takes quite a bit of fiddling to get them out of the bag (additionally you will have to bring a camera bag with you).
I have an F90 with about 5 lenses that has been sitting in the dry cabinet for almost 3 yrs, since my son was born. my point being, if photography is not your main hobby, it will not be the first thing you think of carrying out of the house and that means loosing those possible 'kodak moments'.
Anyway, just to add another camera to your list, during the 35mm zoom PnS craze at my work place about 7-8 yrs back, there was this camera that was highly touted by camera savy colleagues...it was the Pentax Espio 28-105. At that time it was one of the better cameras with a very useful zoom range on a compact. The only grouse, if I remember correctly, was that the view finder was a little small.
Whatever the case, hope you find the camera that is most suitable to your lifestyle.
Oh, and take care. Hope you recover soon.
21st June 2005, 12:28 PM
21st June 2005, 02:15 PM
FM10/FE/FM uses CdS meter that are less accurate then silicon base... FE2/FM2 uses SPD meter. FE is electronics and FM is mechanical. Not bad a camera.
MX is mechanical and there is another ME Super which is slightly smaller/cheaper and plentiful then the MX but electronics like the FE2. MX is introduced as pro model (mechnical able to use in harsh condition) while ME Super is prosumer. Still lotsa fun to use.
But then, to be honest. Chemistry and ergonomy play a part too. U need to hold one and see whether it fit yr style, handling etc. Otherwise, they are all tools and each user has their own preference. Bottom line still.... one camera is never enuf haha.
21st June 2005, 07:37 PM
i agree with whoelse... one might end up spending more than what he nitially planned.. ehhehe.. but yeah, lending her my tc-1 means i hafta get a strap or another waist pocket fr my lca...
btw, is pentax mx still in production or has it been stopped?
i wonder if fm10 or fe10 is sufficient... or even pentax mx...
21st June 2005, 08:59 PM
MX is a classic produced in 1976...older than many people here but it uses LR/SR44 batteries and GPD cell for meter. It's metal, small and light and well suitable for lady user. Being introduce as pro, there are databacks, changeable screens etc. Fully mechanical slr and can be easily service or CLA at prime, TCW, camera hospital, Ron and other camera shops. It's about the size of Olympus OM series. Pentax SMC lens are also famous for it's 7-layers coating. It's a join development with Contax hence it was also use to benchmark against Leica and Contax lens.
Best, they are cheaper then Nikon/Canon. Easily adapt to M42 with Pentax original adapter with no optical correction.
I'm never a supporter of camera using CdS cell. All modern camera uses SPD or similar technology. Consumer camera like Ricoh KR-5 super II, FM-10, probably FE-10 (all made by cosina n plastic body) and older camera like Spotmatic uses CdS. The Silicon cell replace them with good reasons. Try using a CdS and SPD/GPD camera and compare their accuracy and sensitivity. Especially low light, the CdS is not very responsive.
But then camera is like pencil to an artist or car for a driver. Each has it's preference, just bare in mind that MX or original FM are quite a old camera. They are still exist and working meaning they are reliable. I dun usually CLA when I aquire a old camera unless there is fault. I use until they need to CLA then I will send to the workshop. Afterthat, probably it will work w/o problem for the next 20yrs and probably outlast us until when we die, our grandson throw them as trash or sell to cashconverter for $20
Oh, the original FM uses CdS too.
Beside MX, there is one more classic. KX it's big brother. But MX will fit lady hand nicer, KX is about the size of FM.
Last edited by whoelse; 21st June 2005 at 09:11 PM.
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