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    Quote Originally Posted by radedward
    The problem is definition.

    What is ultra liberal?
    What is liberal for that matter?
    What is anti-institution?
    Does ultra-liberal mean that she should go and break every rule there is in the book? or does it mean do she can break a few rules and let other rules stand? Or does it just mean that she can do whatever she wants without having to explain herself, which is quite ironic because she is trying to justify her actions on her blog, even though she's telling people that she doesn't care about their opinions.

    Underneath it all, we all want people to know what we're doing and why we're doing it and get some approval so that we can bask in it (no matter how much we try to deny it).

    It's strange that we will see Crazy Horse Cabaret coming in a few months time and yet someone's (tasteful) nudity on the internet is a huge problem for society at large.

    Maybe if she had posted a warning that there would be nudity and pasted the link offsite, then it might not have been such a huge issue? Just a thought.

    Really, the problem with the whole nudity thing hasn't yet been defined.
    No one has really come forward and given a tangible reason for why her being nude on her blog is wrong besides the fact that it is 'wrong'.

    It is not explicitly clear why this is wrong besides the fact that some part of our brain has chosen to label it such.

    I'll bet you the only reason why the person in the street can give about this nudity issue is that it is shameful and/or disgusting but is unable to explain clearly why they find it shameful and/or disgusting.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yin
    ah pao>i have a friend who is a child of a kept wife. his father's legal wife hated the kept wife and her child(which is totally normal) my friend, who definitely didn't choose to be born like that, has to endure being looked down at. people at the church, people at his neighbourhood... all knew about his status. all of them shunned my friend and his mother. i know it sounds like a drama... but they're a korean family, and the korean community in their town is small... and things like that happen.

    go through the whole ordeal together, of course. my point is that people shouldn't go and point fingers at every single family member and insult them for things they're not guilty of. plus, it's not their business. they should keep their nose out of it. unless the whole family is guilty of the crime, i don't see why they should be exposed, full name and school and everything, including occupation, to the public.

    also, individuals within a family have their own secrets they don't share with other family members. it's a common thing.

    it's the freedom of expression. she's free to post whatever she likes up there, unless stated otherwise by regulations of the service provider. you're free to voice your disapproval of her as well, of course. however, you don't have the right to force her from expressing herself.
    Sorry to hear about your friend's situation. Unfortunately there's nothing we can do to stop others from sticking their noses into other people's business--human nature! People are nosey since the beginning of time, for better or worse.

    As a friend, I'm sure you are standing by him/her and his family. It's most unfortunate that your friend's community has a deep-rooted mindset that he and you may never see changed in your lifetimes...society has no compassion for such "mistakes".

    I'm sure your friend and his mother are fundamentally good people. Your friend is innocent, and yet he's bearing the consequences of someone else's mistake. Not fair, right? So, friends, before we do anything controversial, we need realise that there may be greater consequences that affect other people. Case in point would be SPG's pics and dragging her family into the pic--I'm sure she didn't want it to be happened, but it did; something beyond her control happened.

    Putting it in a bigger picture and back into SPG's issue, none of us can control SPG's free will. What has happened, has happened. What we (and the society) can do now is to have more compassion, but not be apathetic and say "it's all right, let her be", using "freedom of speech" and "self-expression" as shields. SPG does not deserved to be condemned, but I hope that she can learn this lesson of action and conseqences.

    and yes, the local media was just looking for scantcladtional news to rack in dollars. i can't say that they're fools though just a bit on the inconsiderate and nosy side.
    That's what makes life a bit more interesting yeah (unfortunately, here, on the expense of others)? Otherwise most of us can't even be bothered to question ourselves what we stand for!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manfred Ng
    Bug by my curiousity from the media, i was there at her blog yesterday, spending a whole two hours going through her posting, you might think i am sick......
    Hey Manfred,

    You mean you actually read them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yin
    hommie>i've learnt not to judge anyone, nor call anyone a fool. besides, who are we to know what's the definite right and wrong? it's quite hard to do at first, but i'm trying. sometimes people do certain things for a certain reason we may/not comprehend. i have my slips and misses, but i try to understand about 'why' it happens. it's of course, my way of thinking
    Keep it up.

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    First, let me say that I have read her ENTIRE blog. While it is titillating, I find that I feel sorry for her, and find myself worrying about how to prevent my 10-year-old daughter from going down the same path, rather than feeling any self-righteous condemnation of her choices in life. It must be my age showing through.

    Let's take the issues one by one.

    1. Posting of nude photo.

    This, to me, is probably the least of it. Just do a search of "Singaporean escorts in London" for instance. You'll find many more better-taken photos of better looking Singaporean girls than you will ever see on SPG's blog.

    2. Her promiscuity and multiple sexual partners.

    In any decent society (not just Asian ones) this is condemned. It may be prevalent in practice in many societies, but seldom or never approved of. The very fact that people feel they need to defend this lifestyle is evidence of the moral law (as CS Lewis calls it) that speaks to the conscience to say that it is wrong. If I did not feel something is wrong I would not feel any need to defend my action. My personal experience has been that the best bet to lasting happiness lies within a monogamous, loving relationship, and this has been the case in almost every society since civilization began. Since this is what I believe, I would of course wish the same for my daughter, so that she can be happy. The statistical evidence (let's not talk about exceptions here) is that promiscuous people are GENERALLY less emotionally satisfied than happily married couples. They are also more prone to getting sexually transmitted diseases and mental illnesses.

    3. Her preference of white men, and denigration of local men.

    If you ask me, this is probably the real reason why a lot of Singaporeans are up in arms against her, as someone pointed out previously. It is not so much her preference for white men per se, as her derogatory remarks about local men which rankles. If I like Canon cameras, I don’t have to say how lousy Nikon cameras are (they aren’t). I just prefer Canon, that’s all. But that’s not the case here. In retaliation, many local boys are talking about how she herself “cannot make it”, and how ang moh’s have very much lower standards with regards to local girls (as compared to local men). This is pretty childish as well, and actually serves to prove her point more than anything else. But then this sort of behaviour is certainly NOT confined to young asian males.

    4. Her upbringing

    I think no one will contest the fact that GENERALLY speaking, well adjusted responsible children come from respectable homes. Again, let’s talk about the general rule rather than the exceptions. This is probably the reason why people started attacking her parents. Unfortunately, in this case, I do think she is an exception to the rules, and her parents are not to blame. I always have to remind myself that I do not “own” my children – they are individuals in their own right, and after I have tried my best to bring them up, they become responsible for their own life choices.

    5. Her knowledge of the Bible and Christianity

    I think her concept of grace is all wrong. Mattlock seems to have a firmer grasp of the human condition (ie we are all filthy scoundrels who have no right to judge one another) than she does. Grace is free, but it is not cheap. Romans 6:1 says it all: Are we to go on sinning so that grace may abound? God forbid!

    6. Freedom of speech

    I think this is a non issue here. No one has denied her freedom of speech. If nothing else, she has demonstrated a basic truth – that freedom of speech carries with it the need for responsibility and discretion, otherwise the personal fallout will be severe, as she is finding out to her dismay.

    7. Her personal ethos

    She has claimed that her aim in life is to do whatever she likes, as long as she does not hurt the ones she holds dear. The problem is that she is doing just that (ie hurting those who love her). Her parents must be very sad. I am not referring to the “shame” of having brought up a daughter like her, but the sadness they must feel that she has chosen such a self-destructive course of life.

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    man, i like what u said.. i feel sad for her too....~~

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    I am not aware of when her parents said they were sad at her choice of a "self-destructive" course of life...
    also, I think having lots of sex and getting treated well by alot of men sounds like an absolute dream to me (except replace the men with women please)
    grin

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    In the process of reading the SPG site, something curious just occured to me.

    What did her parents object to so much that she pulled the picture off?
    What would have bothered them so much that she would remove the picture?

    Looking at the site, you would have figured that anything written there is (relatively speaking) as bad or worse than the picture itself.

    Funny how things work.

    Just thinking aloud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    also, I think having lots of sex and getting treated well by alot of men sounds like an absolute dream to me (except replace the men with women please)
    grin
    Add 'only white girls' to the mattlock mix!

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    Quote Originally Posted by radedward
    In the process of reading the SPG site, something curious just occured to me.

    What did her parents object to so much that she pulled the picture off?
    What would have bothered them so much that she would remove the picture?

    Looking at the site, you would have figured that anything written there is (relatively speaking) as bad or worse than the picture itself.

    Funny how things work.

    Just thinking aloud.
    Her photos are better than her words.

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    I think having lots of sex and getting treated well by alot of men sounds like an absolute dream to me (except replace the men with women please)
    Sorry Mattlock,

    Just couldn't help myself, your statement befits the profile of a Sarong Party Guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlock
    ... I think having lots of sex and getting treated well by alot of men sounds like an absolute dream to me (except replace the men with women please)
    Shouldn't you be conserving your energy for underwater photography?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Benign
    Sorry Mattlock,

    Just couldn't help myself, your statement befits the profile of a Sarong Party Guy.
    Wouldn't that be every other guy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benign
    Sorry Mattlock,

    Just couldn't help myself, your statement befits the profile of a Sarong Party Guy.
    Haven't met any guy coming to a party in a sarong.

    But seen a few gals in a party just dying to get into a sarong.

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    Wouldn't that be every other guy?
    No Comment!

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    But seen a few gals in a party just dying to get into a sarong.
    Please PM immediately.


    My papa just handed me his roomy sarong. It can take all sizes.......

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    This whole thread somehow turned into a facade of saving face.

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    actually, why are we so interested in her preferences and her life??

    if she likes white men, so be it. i sense sour grapes...

    if she believes in artistic naked pictures... so be it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibitemynails
    actually, why are we so interested in her preferences and her life??

    if she likes white men, so be it. i sense sour grapes...

    if she believes in artistic naked pictures... so be it...
    I like white girl. So me SPB?

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