17th June 2005, 10:33 PM
What about Kodak 18% grey card? I thought that would help too, particularly if one is interested to take landscape, where the front covers with grass, backgroud with nice mountain, and peak with snow...we can't possibly runs couple of km away to take the meter reading in front of the mountain, then run back to adjust the camera to take at the right exposure right?
Some people ever told me about bracketing, however, by using bracketing, you will need to post process, and each shot we take, it will store 3 times....
Not sure if anyone here can help to enlighten?
17th June 2005, 10:47 PM
I know little about studio but I should think light meters are good mainly for studio work.
Originally Posted by JimDavis
For digital outdoor shots, forget about the grey card or light meters. It doesn't take long to shoot, preview and delete especially if you are experienced. If you need to do this process many times, then skills need polishing! Or you're just being paranoid. :P
Moreover, grey cards are useless under bright lights like on a sunny day. The grey of the card becomes lighter in shade and in the end, the camera will underexpose the shot.
I think experience is the best... only way is to keep shooting.
17th June 2005, 11:41 PM
I think it still relate to personal habit...as he might get used to handheld spot meters or his cam is so basic don't even have spot meter at all during the "film period"...partial metering might not good enough though. Using handheld metering on fashion/wedding/sport events shooting are totally out.
Originally Posted by F5user
17th June 2005, 11:43 PM
I have master this basic knowledge eversince I've start shooting for wedding event 11 years ago.
Originally Posted by student
17th June 2005, 11:47 PM
Quite agree....eversince 300D & D70 came out it do affect some of my final profit...
Originally Posted by whoelse
17th June 2005, 11:58 PM
meter is essential
but if scene is normal, can get away with guessing. sunny f16
film shooters more careful as there is no post processing of the neg or slide
if scene has wide range of exposure, you have to choose the range within which you want to expose.
highlight or shadow.
if your film can take a wide range, then good.
18th June 2005, 12:57 AM
Just remember that films only have a tolerance of plus & minus of 2 & a half stop from medium grey. So it's advisable to get your pictures within that range. Or am I talking no brainer things again?
18th June 2005, 12:59 AM
Originally Posted by Spectrum
you're quite right.. and the margin or error is decreased further with the use of chrome.
18th June 2005, 01:04 AM
18th June 2005, 01:16 AM
That is true... though i'm sure some of you are still traditional, it is indeed getting harder to find photogs who do NOT look at their camera backs during shoots, and even harder to find those with the confidence to utilize chromes with manual "white balancing" (filters) for major events.
Originally Posted by whoelse
Just my observation within the increasing number of photogs in singapore.
18th June 2005, 01:44 AM
Good for you!
Originally Posted by John Tan
many like to quote so-and-so who does not need this or that.
Forgetting so-and-so had actually previously paid his dues in hard work. Too often newbies think they can emulate the works of the "oldies".
18th June 2005, 11:48 AM
IMO, the shoot, view, delete, and shoot again practice is taking the fun out of photography. Going to look at the Minolta as recommended. Is it very difficult to use a lightmeter as I never used one before? Is spot metering feature a MUST?
18th June 2005, 12:05 PM
a spot meter allows u to zoom in the snow mountains and take a reflective reading instead of running there ..not a must..but very useful.
18th June 2005, 12:30 PM
spot meter not a MUST.
Originally Posted by E1g3
which ever meter you use.... LEARN IT's limitations. IT TAKES TIME and EFFORT.
Be it the lightmeter or CAMERA being difficult to use is very subjective. Some still like the 'feel' of shooting with a rangefinder compare to using DSLR.
I enjoy the learning process. slow at times but the discoveries you get sticks longer than the equipment I use
Happy exploring your camera metering.... as well as a lightmeter if you choose to get one.
18th June 2005, 12:38 PM
18th June 2005, 12:48 PM
something like dat la
Sound like B+W photographer are color hahaha..
meter just give u a grey reading aka Zone 5 u decide what u want it to be grey.
if u meter a white wall and then a black wall, take a shot according to the meter reading and print without correction, u will get a grey wall..
So it's up to u to decide if u want the wall to be white,add at least 2 stops to the meter reading since zone 7 is very white liao..
18th June 2005, 01:10 PM
if the sunlight falling on mountain 20 kilometers away is about the same as the sunlight falling on you, then can simply use "incident" metering. no need to run. whew! otherwise siong. The white globe is used for this. Just lay the white globe to the direction of sunlight falling on you.
Originally Posted by kex
this is also done for in-studio flash metering but photog will walk to the model and test fire the flash. he will also take various readings around the model to check the flash power on both sides. sometimes he wants a certain ratio; i.e. one side weaker than the other, for certain effects.
"hollywood" stars pics lighting
"butterfly" lighting (named from shape of shadow under nose)
if the mountain is snow capped pure white reflecting the sunlight (mount fuji or matterhorn) then spot reading it will require you to understand "highlight"
if not your shot may be under exposed.
18th June 2005, 02:07 PM
18th June 2005, 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by singscott
That really opens up the spectrum and paradigm....Thanks for sharing, that IMHO, really beneficial...at least for me.
19th June 2005, 12:30 AM
Originally Posted by student
Yes, I understand that. What I meant to say was that it'd help to find the median point for you. Takes the calculation away..
Of course, in a high contrast situation, you can then work from the median value given to see which way you want to shift and what to sacrifice..