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    Your bed is the most dangerous place. According statistics, most people die in bed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Your bed is the most dangerous place. According statistics, most people die in bed.
    Died in bed...

    Did they indicate if it was due to the extreme cardio workout?
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    lots of people have said that it's because of the owner looking at the phone more than the dog.

    and sometimes the lift take a bit of time to react to re-open the doors because people love to rush in when the doors are closing.

    the sensors only work at 100% effectiveness when the doors are wide-open and people are walking in and out. not when they're closing. if you don't believe, try rushing in when the doors are about to close

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    lots of people have said that it's because of the owner looking at the phone more than the dog.

    and sometimes the lift take a bit of time to react to re-open the doors because people love to rush in when the doors are closing.

    the sensors only work at 100% effectiveness when the doors are wide-open and people are walking in and out. not when they're closing. if you don't believe, try rushing in when the doors are about to close
    Actual happening I will not know, but I know more of HDB Elevator....

    Usually, HDB lift have 2 type of sensors.


    1. One is proximity sensor, that uses light to detect movement. When that sensor is activated, the door will open.

    However, this is usually located around 30-50cm off the ground....

    2. The other type is in between the other door, that is usually made of aluminum, one whole railing from door bottom to the top.
    When you push this railing, the door will also open.

    In this incident...

    1. The dog is outside, and did not go in, so will not activate the door proximity sensor. The door will just shut. The lease from dog to the owner is above this proximity sensor too.

    2. Dog leash is too fine and did not activate the door to open when the door closes.

    Can only hope other dog owners be more careful and learn from this accident.
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    Where I live you can't keep a dog or cat in an apartment by order of strata laws . Of course the regulation is commonly ignored by some pet lovers.

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    Imagine the owner have the leash loop around the wrist, the dog will die and the owner Hand will be rip off !!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon View Post
    Died in bed...

    Did they indicate if it was due to the extreme cardio workout?
    With the aid of viagra... LOL

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    I think this case is mainly the fault of the dog owner due mainly to the ignorance of the potential danger.
    All bro owning dog here must be careful in future.

    But I also feel that generally lift maintenance and/or quality of sensor is lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    I think this case is mainly the fault of the dog owner due mainly to the ignorance of the potential danger.
    All bro owning dog here must be careful in future.

    But I also feel that generally lift maintenance and/or quality of sensor is lacking.
    In this case, I believe is owner negligence....

    Lift safety design is meant to ensure no accident to human. I think our HDB lift record is still quite good....

    1. The Proximity sensor at the door (light activated) around 30-50cm off the ground is to ensure no one is crushed by the door when they rush in. When the light is broken, the sensor will re-open the door.

    Dog is standing outside, so this sensor will not be activated. The lease from the neck of dog (Golden Retriever quite tall) to owner hand most likely above 50cm, so will not trip the sensor to open the door.

    2. The Railing Sensor will be activated if the light proximity sensor is not if the life door closed and caught someone in between.

    The railing sensor will be activated when someone is caught in between, and the dog leash is so thin, so it will not be caught and re-open the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    With the aid of viagra... LOL
    I remembered a few years back, saw a case in Geylang hotel in the papers....

    What they take is open to debate... some are non-legal drugs.......

    Is viagra a prescription medication?
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    Shocking! Taking an elevator with a possible fatality rate of 0.00000015% (with the majority of fatal accidents constituting primarily of service personnel) is so dangerous! OMG, Singapore is getting unsafe!

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    There are nothing wrong with the lift design.

    It is 100% dog owner problem.

    Something seem to be bothering her that she forgot that she have a dog outside the lift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon View Post
    Actual happening I will not know, but I know more of HDB Elevator.... Usually, HDB lift have 2 type of sensors. 1. One is proximity sensor, that uses light to detect movement. When that sensor is activated, the door will open. However, this is usually located around 30-50cm off the ground.... 2. The other type is in between the other door, that is usually made of aluminum, one whole railing from door bottom to the top. When you push this railing, the door will also open. In this incident... 1. The dog is outside, and did not go in, so will not activate the door proximity sensor. The door will just shut. The lease from dog to the owner is above this proximity sensor too. 2. Dog leash is too fine and did not activate the door to open when the door closes. Can only hope other dog owners be more careful and learn from this accident.
    I'm quite sure there isn't a light sensor. Try standing in the doorway, if it has a light sensor, the doors will not close.

    The usual is the is the contact bar you described. The bar will not work on leashes.

    The owner should have released the leash and the leash could have remained on the ground floor instead of traveling up with the car.

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    All things must be used properly.

    Crossing the road is also mundane everyday matter.

    Try not to step out in front of a speeding concrete mixer truck, even if the driver is in the wrong and the traffic light is in your favour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qystan View Post

    I'm quite sure there isn't a light sensor. Try standing in the doorway, if it has a light sensor, the doors will not close.

    The usual is the is the contact bar you described. The bar will not work on leashes.

    The owner should have released the leash and the leash could have remained on the ground floor instead of traveling up with the car.
    Mmm..... mine hv. When I stand in between, alarm will sound because door cannot close. If I stand there for too long...

    Maybe different hdb flat have different type of lift....
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    Some new elevators in BTO apartments also have safety measures when the doors doesn't even close if a person is detected within its entrance / exit proximity around the doors (as an example, take a look at Mitsubishi Electric (Elevators & Escalators): "Hall Motion Sensor (HMS)" for the general description of such a system) and not necessary just in between the doors in the case of Infrared (IR) beam sensing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 9V-Orion Images View Post
    Some new elevators in BTO apartments also have safety measures when the doors doesn't even close if a person is detected within its entrance / exit proximity around the doors (as an example, take a look at Mitsubishi Electric (Elevators & Escalators): "Hall Motion Sensor (HMS)" for the general description of such a system) and not necessary just in between the doors in the case of Infrared (IR) beam sensing.
    Wah... too advance bah... what if someone just stand around and trigger the sensor when they are not taking the lift???
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    some people just like to slap their own face.

    One moment saying that a device is so safe and the other moment saying that advanced safety measures are needed. LOL

    Whenever there are safety measures needed for a system [and must function with reliability], it implies that the system itself is UNSAFE!!! Period.

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    I learn a lesson in life recently...

    Your enemies today can be your Greatest Allies tomorrow...

    "Make Love, Not War"....

    In future, we need all Singaporean to be United....

    Everyone is an asset and we need to support each others!
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