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    Default $500 fine for boarding a full MRT

    Anyone kena before?

    Better not to break the law. But if first train after a breakdown how har?

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    Where does this law pop up from ?

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    This thread is not anti-SMRT.

    Maybe TS is afraid of being stomped verbally if he links to a STOMP article.

    So here is a cut out from a nickname "reiko" of SGTalk.org, who referred to the Straits Times newspaper of 25 Jan 14.

    The rule is under review and is probably outdated and no longer applicable, now that SG aims for 6+ Million population.
    Full MRT train cabins at peak hours are a daily fact of life nowadays in SG.
    The second last rule on the list. I doubt they have ever applied the rule to fine anyone. It may have been drawn up by the LTA or SMRT (formerly known as MRTC) when the MRT was in its inception stage; and they were brain storming scenarios and what to do about them. At a time when the SG population was very much lower than what it is today.

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    Default Re: $500 fine for boarding a full MRT

    Entering or Remaining in Train when it is full - Fine $500.

    So if train is full, fine who? Everyone in the train? hmmmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by daredevil123 View Post
    Entering or Remaining in Train when it is full - Fine $500.

    So if train is full, fine who? Everyone in the train? hmmmmm
    If train is full, you can't even board it

    If the person coming up with this law is a scholar, SG must be wasting their tax payer money
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    Actually, a quick look at the actual Regulations (easily found with a search) reveals that the actual wording is as follows:

    Compliance with instructions (because there's reference to Reg 11)
    11. Every person while on the railway premises shall comply with all notices, signs and all reasonable directions and instructions of any authorised person.

    No entry into train when it is full
    12. Without prejudice to regulation 11, where any authorised person determines that a train is full, no person shall enter or remain in the train if directed not to do so by him.
    That probably makes more sense, rather than relying on said article. Cheers.

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    No entry into train when it is full
    12. Without prejudice to regulation 11,
    where any authorised person determines that a train is full, no person shall enter or remain in the train if directed not to do so by him.
    The rule is poorly expressed.
    I think they also want to cover the possibility of a SMRT officer asking a commuter to exit the MRT cabin if it is already jam packed. So as to give more space to the others remaining in the cabin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    The rule is poorly expressed.
    I think they also want to cover the possibility of a SMRT officer asking a commuter to exit the MRT cabin if it is already jam packed. So as to give more space to the others remaining in the cabin.
    Not sure.

    It does bring to mind my experience in London where the train driver asked commuters to exit the train because the train couldn't move. Something to do with people pressing on the doors, that's what he said over the PA system.

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    This is crowd control regulation.

    If the train is so full that the door cannot close, the SMRT staff have the right to ask the person at the door to alight so that the door can close and the train can move.

    Failure to comply to the SMRT staff instruction will subject to a fine of $500.

    I thought this law have been there since day one.

    There is nothing much to discuss except the poor English use in the newspaper
    Last edited by Yutaka Go; 26th January 2014 at 10:54 AM.
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    If anything this law puts pressure on the poor uncles and aunties doing crowd control. There's only so much they can do if everybody wants to go somewhere in a hurry especially during peak hours

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    It is almost impossible to implement the rule fairly to the commuter/s.

    For example, the person so directed to leave the cabin may argue why me? And not the persons next to me? And how can you fine me only when so many other people could have been asked to leave the cabin.

    Thus it becomes arbitrary and a person gets fined because of luck of the draw. The SMRT officer happen to pick on him or her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowleong View Post
    If anything this law puts pressure on the poor uncles and aunties doing crowd control. There's only so much they can do if everybody wants to go somewhere in a hurry especially during peak hours
    In Japan, they are more stress because they need to push people into the train so that the commuters will not be late for work

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    It is almost impossible to implement the rule fairly to the commuter/s.

    For example, the person so directed to leave the cabin may argue why me? And not the persons next to me? And how can you fine me only when so many other people could have been asked to leave the cabin.

    Thus it becomes arbitrary and a person gets fined because of luck of the draw. The SMRT officer happen to pick on him or her.
    Not true.
    The person that prevent the train door from closing will be force to leave.
    Not just any person standing near the door.
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    How about "transferring good between paid and unpaid areas without passing through the gate"? Buy n Sell people do this all the time!

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    Quote Originally Posted by albertsy2 View Post
    How about "transferring good between paid and unpaid areas without passing through the gate"? Buy n Sell people do this all the time!
    Yes, I think they made it quite clear in the news a while ago?

    http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=486007

    Anyways, from the description of the incident observed in the linked thread, they (probably) will give warning first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by albertsy2 View Post
    How about "transferring good between paid and unpaid areas without passing through the gate"? Buy n Sell people do this all the time!
    Exactly ... How does this affect the MRT operation or anything with the trains at all ... I have done that before and probably will still continue to do that for the convenience.

    Does it mean that if people went out and then come back in again, they will make so much more to make that the SMRT will become a more profitable company.

    Still does not address the service quality and the operation of the train service.
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    Ok ok... I was trying HARD not to butt in... but...

    1) like the flush toilet or be fine $500 law... no one really free enough to enforce such rules.
    2) all this rules have been around since the beginning of SMRT (25yrs at least)... and NO ONE has really bothered to enforced or undate the rules..
    3) there are a reason why this rules are there....

    Example....

    Passing 'Goods' between paid and unpaid areas... reason, buying the cheapest ticket (25yrs ago) cost $0.60... over stay your tip, fine $2... total, $2.60. Send one worker... use the MRT to transport item (mails, goods, etc) and if the worker could stay inside the system (without coming out)... for $2.60 one whole day... it will only cost someone $2.60 to transport stuff around S'pore for a whole day... cheaper than buying/renting a car and paying for petrol (at least that what I was told 15 yrs ago as a trainee).

    As for trying to board a pack train... the train can't move till all the doors are FULLY closed... and if some stubborn person refusing to wait for the next train and die die want to squeeze into a already packed train (which cause the door not able to close and the train to depart) then there is a rule that could be used to force that person NOT to squeeze in... and we know S'porean react best when they are threatern with a FINE...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Long Thai Bean View Post
    Exactly ... How does this affect the MRT operation or anything with the trains at all ... I have done that before and probably will still continue to do that for the convenience.
    Does it mean that if people went out and then come back in again, they will make so much more to make that the SMRT will become a more profitable company.
    Still does not address the service quality and the operation of the train service.
    Again, it's also a question of how many people are doing this. No point arguing from a few isolated cases.
    Have you used buses in Phil Or Thailand? You will have noticed the stations where they turn in for food and toilet breaks. Whenever a bus turns in, a crowd of people with baskets will surround the bus, offering all kinds of food and drinks. Now, it doesn't take much to imagine the results inside a train station if this idea were copied: last minute buns, kopi and tea. Good luck if you need to rush for your train and two uncles step into your path with fresh kopi and sandwiches. As long as they don't eat they are fine (not fined). But you might need to change your shirt and pants and somebody else has to clean the floor before next auntie runs for her train and goes down.
    Unlikely scenario? Well, it all starts with a guy selling buns 10 cents cheaper than the SMRT F&B area around the corner.
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    Default Re: $500 fine for boarding a full MRT

    If you are late for work, just tell ye boss train/bus full. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    If you are late for work, just tell ye boss train/bus full. LOL
    Boss is ok with it. They just deduct your pay and give you a warning letter.
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