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    Default How do you define second hand item.

    people in bns often say low usage.
    Look very new..
    Used once.. blah blah

    used once still conside 2nd hand ma ?

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    Default Re: How do you define second hand item.

    Did anyone claim their item is "Brand New"... if no one claim so....then I don't see it as an issue...

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    2nd hand item is not 1st hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voice123 View Post
    used once still conside 2nd hand ma ?
    Of course... used one is also USED and thus 2nd hand. You be lucky if yours is not 3rd hand/4th hand/multiple hands!!

    That is why they have ratings for such conditions.

    Some people are particular that they die die do not want 2nd hand (even used once / for test).
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    Quote Originally Posted by voice123 View Post
    people in bns often say low usage.
    Look very new..
    Used once.. blah blah
    used once still conside 2nd hand ma ?
    Yes, any usage or non-usage doesn't matter. Important is: who is the seller? Buying from private person is considered second hand, also because of the legal implications (hint: Lemon Law). So it's pointless to argue about the mileage or shutter counts or 'box never opened'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justme77 View Post
    Some people are particular that they die die do not want 2nd hand (even used once / for test).
    And these freaks cause most trouble and discussions about service in shops. Asking to check 10 lenses and still want to buy a new set that has not been touched before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    And these freaks cause most trouble and discussions about service in shops. Asking to check 10 lenses and still want to buy a new set that has not been touched before.
    Serve them good if the set they end up buying is the one with problem!!
    Really silly of them to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kklee View Post
    2nd hand item is not 1st hand.
    1st hand = Used by only one hand.

    2nd hand = Have been used by both hands.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post
    1st hand = Used by only one hand.

    2nd hand = Have been used by both hands.

    And 3rd hand?
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    The moment an item has been bought by a consumer, it is by definition "second-hand" if they try to sell it off to another party.

    The only exception is when the consumer bought it and never used it. Even then, there is a price penalty to pay (because if I can buy the item from an established shop where I have possible modes of redress if I'm unhappy, versus off the open B&S market where there is little or no regulation [and thus possibly no mode of redress], at least to my knowledge, I am still taking more risk). Fact of life.
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    Just say

    No claims are made on the item condition

    Then no one can accuse you of tricking them or any falsehood.

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    Don know leh. i saw a few post in BNS stating used once for testing. Then they put its BRAND new and nv use b4...I am so confuse sia

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    Quote Originally Posted by voice123 View Post
    Don know leh. i saw a few post in BNS stating used once for testing. Then they put its BRAND new and nv use b4...I am so confuse sia
    I will see that as a second hand no matter how nice the words were phrased.

    Once item has left shop , as long as even if I just opened box to test , it is a 2nd hand item. One camera shop owner in Peninsula told me this before : it may be even that seller drop the set within the 1st week of use and wana sell it for peace of mind but u will never know if ad says 'one week old'.

    End of the day, check with due diligence. I was cheated once due to being too trusting. Never take words at their face value, test and check , check and test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by voice123 View Post
    Don know leh. i saw a few post in BNS stating used once for testing. Then they put its BRAND new and nv use b4...I am so confuse sia
    Irrelevant. A lot can happen during one test. Take it as 'has been used for at least a short period' and inspect it properly. Take things like remaining warranty period as a bonus, not as a must. (If it's a must for you, you better get a local set from the shop.)
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    buy legacy primes like m42 sure no need think if how many hands
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    I eats, shoots & leaves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    I thought this was a joke made in rather poor taste..

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    Please self moderate.
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    Technically speaking, once it leaves the first buyer, it is considered second hand. So if first buyer passed to friend free of charge, it is already second hand. First buyer buyer didnt use or open, transfer to someone else, also second hand.

    In BnS, one should be more concern about the usability and condition. So terms like used once, never opened should matter little.
    Last edited by ManWearPants; 24th January 2014 at 08:37 AM.

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    sorry ...... NOT funny

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    shaddap and just shoot .... up close
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