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    Hi,

    I just started wedding photography as a second photographer. Everything was fine during the morning. Just encounter some problem during the night group shots. During the table by table group shot, some of the people is out of focus. I came to realise that I should have used a higher aperture stop in order to focus more. But, should I use aperture priority with flash or shutter speed with flash? Thank you!

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    aperture affects flash, shutter affect background light and motion speed.

    Small aperture means less light going into lens, which means stronger flash power
    big aperture means more light going into lens, which means less flash power needed.

    slow shutter speed means allowing more light to enter sensor, thus bringing up overall light. but also means more prone to blur from handshake and motion blur.

    Since this is just a wedding shoot, stay around 1/50 shutter if your using wide angle - standard.
    If u want everybody to be more focus than u need to either up your aperture till f4.5 maybe? or you need to find ways to assist your camera's AF system to focus better. Maybe too dark for AF to work?

    maybe show us 1 sample of the pic with focus problem and the settings so we can better understand the sitaution

    hope that helps you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jopjop View Post
    Hi,

    I just started wedding photography as a second photographer. Everything was fine during the morning. Just encounter some problem during the night group shots. During the table by table group shot, some of the people is out of focus. I came to realise that I should have used a higher aperture stop in order to focus more. But, should I use aperture priority with flash or shutter speed with flash? Thank you!
    There are two issues here,auto focussing mode,that is choose one that can give overall sharpness over wider area of frame.It can be single or multi spot.This because of dim lighting so depending on what camera or it's focusing ability.It is also dependent on focal length of lens used.

    Second,yes use smaller F-stop meaning bigger number to increase DOF( depth of field )but this can be a problem with using a less powerful flash meaning smaller flash guide number ( limited F- stops ) as a bigger more powerful flash has more light output so can use more apertures ( F-stops ) to control output.Hope this helps clear your confusion.
    Last edited by one eye jack; 22nd January 2014 at 11:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by paulboh87 View Post
    aperture affects flash, shutter affect background light and motion speed.

    Small aperture means less light going into lens, which means stronger flash power
    big aperture means more light going into lens, which means less flash power needed.

    slow shutter speed means allowing more light to enter sensor, thus bringing up overall light. but also means more prone to blur from handshake and motion blur.

    Since this is just a wedding shoot, stay around 1/50 shutter if your using wide angle - standard.
    If u want everybody to be more focus than u need to either up your aperture till f4.5 maybe? or you need to find ways to assist your camera's AF system to focus better. Maybe too dark for AF to work?

    maybe show us 1 sample of the pic with focus problem and the settings so we can better understand the sitaution

    hope that helps you.
    I think you got the flash part wrong.Do you know how fast the speed of light is?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light

    Speed of light is slightly over 299 million meters/sec or 186000 miles/sec.Yes faster than a speeding bullet and that's how it is captured photographically by flash light.So have nothing to do with motion blur.

    Shutter speed here refers to synchronising speed of flash with shutter as focal plane type shutter is slow and most digital DSLR synchronise at 160th, 200/250th. sec or higher.That is it allow the shutter and flash to fire at the same time or else you get partial exposure due to slow shutter or before it finishes travelling across the picture frame.

    Of course flash can synchronise at slower speed below the camera's sync speed.Then you have to account for ambient lighting.
    Last edited by one eye jack; 22nd January 2014 at 12:28 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jopjop View Post
    Hi,

    I just started wedding photography as a second photographer. Everything was fine during the morning. Just encounter some problem during the night group shots. During the table by table group shot, some of the people is out of focus. I came to realise that I should have used a higher aperture stop in order to focus more. But, should I use aperture priority with flash or shutter speed with flash? Thank you!
    short answer for table shots: shoot at f5.6 or f8 depends on DX or FX bodies, keep your shutter speed at 1/60 s, manual exposure mode, always pay attention the ambient light, you can up your ISO till the ambient light two stops below your flash exposure. Hardly anyone print larger than 4R photo for table shot, so just up your ISO accordingly.

    and the most importantly, please build the foundation on basic photography before going around offer your service, you are hired to solve problems, not to create some.
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    Have to agree with Catchlights. I'd either use manual or aperture priority (shutter speed locked between 1/60 and 1/250)depending on the situation. But that's not the important issue.
    You seem to be lacking a basic knowledge and control of depth of field and/or where to focus. Hired 2nd shooters are expected to at least have the basic technical aspects down. Perhaps not the people-handling skills and situational awareness yet.
    Perhaps you were not hired, but an unofficial 2nd shooter for a friend? Even then, it means wasting everyone's time, and disappointed guests if you don't get the basic shot.

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    Normally for most indoor group shot will go around 1/60 shutter speed, aperture f/5.6 & above. (with flash). Indoor normally will use manual mode. Different situation need to be change accordion, if ur camera has custom mode, preset few mode setting so can switch setting quicker.
    Request to have lighting of room on (if possible) if it not for table shot.
    Up the iso according if needed to get right exposure. As catchlight mentioned, hardly ppl print larger than 4R for table shot, so can pump iso higher (800, 1600 etc).

    Try do a quick test shot 1st & get at least 2 or more shot for each table. Often it the guest closing their eyes, look away etc that ruin the shots.
    Last edited by huatman; 22nd January 2014 at 03:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by one eye jack View Post
    I think you got the flash part wrong.Do you know how fast the speed of light is?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light

    Speed of light is slightly over 299 million meters/sec or 186000 miles/sec.Yes faster than a speeding bullet and that's how it is captured photographically by flash light.So have nothing to do with motion blur.

    Shutter speed here refers to synchronising speed of flash with shutter as focal plane type shutter is slow and most digital DSLR synchronise at 160th, 200/250th. sec or higher.That is it allow the shutter and flash to fire at the same time or else you get partial exposure due to slow shutter or before it finishes travelling across the picture frame.

    Of course flash can synchronise at slower speed below the camera's sync speed.Then you have to account for ambient lighting.
    i was refering to motion blur on the moving subjects in the pic will occur if shutter speed is slow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    please build the foundation on basic photography before going around offer your service, you are hired to solve problems, not to create some.
    Agreed. Bare basics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paulboh87 View Post
    i was refering to motion blur on the moving subjects in the pic will occur if shutter speed is slow.
    Yes, you are right. The flash may 'freeze' and expose the shot properly, but a slow shutter speed still will drag in too much ambient and cause blur nonetheless. Even at 1/60 on a wide angle, if there is camera shakes, it will still cause blur.
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    You can use any mode (Manual, aperture priority, shutter priority etc.) as long as you are able to maintain the depth of field, shutter speed and overall exposure that you need.

    As mentioned earlier, most wedding table shots are done at 1/60s, with an aperture of f/5.6 - f/8. The photographer than adjusts the ISO and flash output as required to get a pleasing shot. That's all there is to it.
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    Since you are 2nd shooter, why not ask the principal photograher?

    A lot more than just aperture. Where to lock focus and iso also matters

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjackal View Post
    Yes, you are right. The flash may 'freeze' and expose the shot properly, but a slow shutter speed still will drag in too much ambient and cause blur nonetheless. Even at 1/60 on a wide angle, if there is camera shakes, it will still cause blur.
    Agree totally with your deduction not unless if the camera was held firm and steady at a slower shutter
    speed to let in more ambient light if one desires. Sharing an example image :

    @1/15sec f3.5(full aperture) 24mm ISO800 of a 24-85mm lens

    5D/5D3/Zeiss/28-85/100 F2/200 F4/50 F1.4/70-200/24-85/85 F1.4
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jopjop View Post
    Hi,

    I just started wedding photography as a second photographer. Everything was fine during the morning. Just encounter some problem during the night group shots. During the table by table group shot, some of the people is out of focus. I came to realise that I should have used a higher aperture stop in order to focus more. But, should I use aperture priority with flash or shutter speed with flash? Thank you!
    Hi,

    Since u mentioned u just started, I would say the easiest or the most convenient way now would be to use Aperture priority (fix around f5.6) with TTL flash mode and set flash sync speed/shutter to 1/60s. ISO for indoor table-shots should be set roughly 1600 (or even a bit more if u like) to get good background light. And thats' it.

    btw, u have no issue with March-in? Or u didn't take yet?

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    I use F4 to F5.6, depends on size of grp. Manual mode, shutter ard 1/80. ISO 1600
    Focus on center. Flash on ETTL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andykyaw View Post
    Hi,

    Since u mentioned u just started, I would say the easiest or the most convenient way now would be to use Aperture priority (fix around f5.6) with TTL flash mode and set flash sync speed/shutter to 1/60s. ISO for indoor table-shots should be set roughly 1600 (or even a bit more if u like) to get good background light. And thats' it.

    btw, u have no issue with March-in? Or u didn't take yet?
    Hi I have no issue with march-in. Would like to seek your advice though. Thank you!

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    This thread is useful me and those going into actual-day wedding shoot. Like many seniors have mentioned, it goes down to the basics. It would be good to tag along as volunteer photographer and not the main one. Till you are more 'stable', before engaging into real shoot for your friends/clients.

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