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    In digital photography age, who has a better advantage : the photographer or the photoshopper? I have seen very nice images taken by good photographers (but not many around) and fantastic images taken by average photographers but very good "photoshoppers". In this digital age, who has the better advantage? This is only a hypothetical question so no need to say better to have both skills, etc...
    Let's just assume there are only two extreme skills we can be .... a good photographer OR a good photoshopper, who do we prefer to be?
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    the first.

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    Can you define the meaning of 'photoshopper'?

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    photoshopper = person who buys photos

    ha ha ha, sorry for the ot.
    photography makes one sees things from all angles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowspeeder
    Can you define the meaning of 'photoshopper'?
    ppl who buy stock photos...
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    Same here what is 'photoshopper'?

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    I don't know what is the basis for comparing a photographer and someone who buys photos.

    It's like comparing an actor with a talent hunter. What is there to compare about??

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    sad to say, imo, photoshopper.

    bad exposure (within limits) can be save.
    those hitting limits, convert to B&W.
    composition not interesting? crop.
    crop still doesnt work? use layer to combine 2 photo.
    if that doest work, use lasso to cut out subject, combine it to another photo.

    but thats just my opinion.
    photography makes one sees things from all angles.

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    Unless the term photoshopper here means someone who is good at using PhotoShop. Then I see the point.

    Well either way (the photographer or the photoshopper), who is able to capture and fuel the client's imagination wins at the end of the day!

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    ha ha ha, i like the play along humour you guys have, zaren & snowspeeder
    photography makes one sees things from all angles.

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    The photographer for sure lah...in the first place, you must have some skills in 'composing' a photo rite?

    Photoshopper that's only like touching up or refining what is already a presentable photo lor .......



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    The first chap concentrates on getting the best shots. The latter concentrates on image manipulation.

    Depending on which angle u're talking about, both complement each other to bring out the best in photos.

    However, the one who concentrates on getting the best shot is definitely better den one who takes average photos and rely heavily on image manipulation and special effects to resolve his errors.

    I'd seen heavily PSed stuff by noob photographers that's enuff to give an ameuter photographer like me a stroke. To make things worse, its my best buddy's sister's photo. Those are her ROM photos and finally to top it all off, her husband praised the photographer (his friend actually) for his good skills and wasn't very happy when I started firing bombs and bullets at all the worst disasters I'd ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn
    The first chap concentrates on getting the best shots. The latter concentrates on image manipulation.

    Depending on which angle u're talking about, both complement each other to bring out the best in photos.

    However, the one who concentrates on getting the best shot is definitely better den one who takes average photos and rely heavily on image manipulation and special effects to resolve his errors.

    I'd seen heavily PSed stuff by noob photographers that's enuff to give an ameuter photographer like me a stroke. To make things worse, its my best buddy's sister's photo. Those are her ROM photos and finally to top it all off, her husband praised the photographer (his friend actually) for his good skills and wasn't very happy when I started firing bombs and bullets at all the worst disasters I'd ever seen.
    Agreed. Put the power of PS into the wrong hands, and the clown will transform paradise into hell.

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    "photoshoppers" is equivalent to a darkroom in the film age, which is part of a workflow in photography. If we look back in the past, and compare the two, which process is more important, photography skill or darkroom skill?

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    it would be most ideal to be a better photographer than to have stronger photoshop skills.

    but the lines are very much blurred.

    a 'good' photographer...
    ~). u'll do half the required post-processing job if u get the first image right.

    ~). if u can't do much photoshop, u can always hire someone else to do the required post processing or u can read it up on ur own and gain ur own knowledge.

    a 'good' D.I Artist...
    ~). u know the roost, can salvage almost any kinds of photographs.

    ~). and a whole host of other digital advantages...

    i feel that a better photographer(better techniques and unique vision)might not be in a stronger position than one average photographer(with good photoshop skills)nowadays. just knowing the basics of the camera system might be all it takes in certain fields.

    Digital rules in the future and knowing ur photoshop is almost essential, i feel.

    of course having a good 'eye for detail' and vast experience in specialised fields are vital...

    but one who can take very good photographs and have a very high 'skill level' of post-processing(i.e photoshop) is truly the KING!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by snowspeeder
    Agreed. Put the power of PS into the wrong hands, and the clown will transform paradise into hell.
    I guess u guys had seen portrait-style photos with those oval shaped, blurry special effects done before right? That's cool u think?

    Wait till u come face to face with a LANDSCAPE styled photo of a couple smack dead bullseye centre with this kinda effect applied.

    Its not even hell for goodness sake. Its simply like u're being BURNT ALIVE SLOWLY. After my holidays, time to show my bud's sister what I can do. I can't bear to see her wedding photos getting massacred even if I have to do that job for free.

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    ps has great adventage over traditional dark room. dont think can compare apple to orange, though they are both fruits.
    photography makes one sees things from all angles.

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    photographer lah.

    if you don't have a useable photo, all the photoshop in the world cannot save it. how to compensate for out of focus, blur shots from camera shake, aperture not stopped down enough, shutter speed too slow etc? even worse, shots that were missed completely cos the photog too slow, or just didn't have the right kind of imagination to think of and capture it?

    anyway, what kind of stuff would you do in photoshop that would keep a photo still a photo and not some digital art object? cropping and exposure correction? a good photog would get things like framing and exposure correct, or close enough for the lab ppl to adjust. i can only think of noise reduction and sharpening lor. otherwise cloning etc... not exactly a photograph anymore right?

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    dont think we are talking newbie photog here

    correct me if i am wrong

    1) average pser + advance photog

    2) advance pser + average photog
    photography makes one sees things from all angles.

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    hehehe i belong to the 3rd kind...

    3) BLF Pser + OOF Photg

    hehehe... anybody had a close encounter of the 3rd kind?
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