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    Quote Originally Posted by ed9119 View Post
    more like its the Prince who is next in line to the throne ...... and he's a nasty piece of work

    Everyone knows... which is why there is a rumor going around that all this Politic infighting is all about gaining position for the time when the Thai King passed... and the Crown Prince not having the same Love and Respect of the people the King is having.

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    12 Dec 2013. Crackpots are coming out to seize their moment in the limelight. Protest leader threatens to seize US Embassy.


    Credit: Phuket English News.
    On Saturday December 12, one of the protest leaders, Nititorn Lamlua stated (from around 8 minutes of the video onwards)

    Soon [I] will take [the protesters?] to tread on the territory of the US Embassy… Tread on it!… To be clear, listen the US Embassy.. [and] becomes extremely animated and raises his voice]… I will invade [and] seize the Embassy
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    What does US has to do with a domestic issue in their country ? When US interfere they say they KPO act big brother, so they really don't know what they wants, just big mouth and talk rubbish with threats. Same as some country that wants to close the US bases in their country, forgetting that it's those US bases that are protecting them. I bet if the US left them and when the enemy comes to the gate they will be crying that the US don't help them, no humanity ...
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    " The protesters say Thai politics are hopelessly corrupt under Thaksin's continuing influence...... They say Yingluck is Thaksin's puppet and want a non-elected government to be appointed to institute reforms and establish a less democratic system that would abolish the concept of one person, one vote. They believe the poor are not educated enough to choose responsible leaders.
    Associated Press writers Papitchaya Boonngok, Tim Sullivan and Jinda Wedel contributed to this report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    Everyone knows... which is why there is a rumor going around that all this Politic infighting is all about gaining position for the time when the Thai King passed... and the Crown Prince not having the same Love and Respect of the people the King is having.
    All kings should be unloved figure like: 秦始皇 to make a country great:


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    It is just totally ridiculous that the Democrat Party is stubbornly fighting to bring about an unelected council and trying to bring down the democratically elected government. The elite must win popularity via good policies and not through coups and protests. But both sides are willing to let people die and the country suffer just to achieve their own selfish agenda.

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    Read

    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/poli...-30221768.html

    Thaksin, Thai Rak Thai and Pheu Thai did what no other Thai political parties had done. He actually cared about the rural villagers. No wonder they like him so much. And why not.

    Whether he did it for political gain is not the point. The point is there was nothing to stop the Thai democrat party from also showing care and concern for their fellow Thai citizens in the rural areas.

    The Thai King cared for all his people, including the rural folk. That is why the whole country loves him.

    Rural folk should be respected by their fellow Thais in the capital. The so-called Bangkok "reformers" now have a domineering attitude that only they know what is best and that whoever disagrees with them is "uneducated & stupid" and thus do not deserve to vote.

    Rural folk are less educated because of a lack of opportunities for education. It is not because they chose to be less educated. Although they had less opportunities in education and health care; they are just as innately intelligent as any Thai living in Bangkok.
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    cared for all his people, including the rural folk. That is why the whole country loves him.
    The country loves him because he is perfect. He is perfect because of the lese majeste laws and some good PR.

    The red-shirted rural folks are essentially pitted against the yellow-shirted pro-monarchists. Some red shirts have criticized him and have been charged and jailed.
    http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/loca...d-lese-majeste

    They are essentially behind most coups and anti-government protests. http://in.reuters.com/article/2008/1...35930920081013

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    I read that already. The author is entitled to his opinion. I do not quite agree with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    I read that already. The author is entitled to his opinion. I do not quite agree with him.
    Just read the facts and forget about the opinions. The facts can be verified.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ed9119 View Post
    " The protesters say Thai politics are hopelessly corrupt under Thaksin's continuing influence...... They say Yingluck is Thaksin's puppet and want a non-elected government to be appointed to institute reforms and establish a less democratic system that would abolish the concept of one person, one vote. They believe the poor are not educated enough to choose responsible leaders.
    Associated Press writers Papitchaya Boonngok, Tim Sullivan and Jinda Wedel contributed to this report.
    ..

    http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/tha...--finance.html
    How do they define "uneducated" people? This is so against the ideology of democracy.

    If Thailand wants to be a forward moving county, they need to be as democratic as possible.

    A people council ain't gonna to improve the country in any way.

    The proof of the pudding lies in the economic growth of Thailand. Under Yingluck, has the economy and lives of people improve? Well, I must say yes

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    How do they define "uneducated" people? This is so against the ideology of democracy.

    If Thailand wants to be a forward moving county, they need to be as democratic as possible.

    A people council ain't gonna to improve the country in any way.

    The proof of the pudding lies in the economic growth of Thailand. Under Yingluck, has the economy and lives of people improve? Well, I must say yes
    If I quote from wikipedia, Democracy is a form of government in which all eligible citizens participate equally.
    I underline the word 'eligible' as a qualifier. Did you know that in ancient Greece, slaves and woman are deemed ineligible?
    Today the bar is age, but its a very simplistic qualifier. I can argue that 'uneducated' people's choice will not move the country forward on their own. More so if the elite can buy their vote or sway them in any way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanzohattori View Post
    Did you know that in ancient Greece, slaves and woman are deemed ineligible?
    I do not know of any country in history that would let their slaves vote. But women? They deserve at least half a vote. And older wiser men between 40 and 65 should get 2 votes.

    I'm not intellectually convinced that one-man, one-vote is the best. We practise it because that's what the British bequeathed us and we haven't really found a need to challenge that.

    But I'm convinced, personally, that we would have a better system if we gave every man over the age of 40 who has a family two votes because he's likely to be more careful, voting also for his children. He is more likely to vote in a serious way than a capricious young man under 30. But we haven't found it necessary yet. If it became necessary we should do it.


    At the same time, once a person gets beyond 65, then it is a problem. Between the ages of 40 and 60 is ideal, and at 60 they should go back to one vote, but that will be difficult to arrange.
    http://www.pressrun.net/weblog/2009/...-one-vote.html

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    I do not know of any country in history that would let their slaves vote. But women? They deserve at least half a vote. And older wiser men between 40 and 65 should get 2 votes.

    Wow... half a vote... so kind of you. You want to explain to our female ClubSNAPer here, why they deserved only half a vote ??

    Democracy in this modern day... is far from it's ancient form that started in Greece. Not only is Woman and Slave unable to vote... so are citizens that doesn't own land or property, aka, the poor and lowly. The idea is that those poor and lowly citizen has less reason to participate in the running of the state since these people have no 'ownership' of Land or Property, therefore... less concern of the state's welfare.

    Put into modern context with SG as an example... people who are poor, and/or don't own their HDB... couldn't vote. SO.... ANYONE here think only the wealth and powerful S'porean should be given the vote ?? You sure that's a good idea ??

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    Wow... half a vote... so kind of you. You want to explain to our female ClubSNAPer here, why they deserved only half a vote ??
    This is just historical.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage
    You can also ask LKY why his 2 votes are only for men.

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    This is just historical.
    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women's_suffrage
    You can also ask LKY why his 2 votes are only for men.

    I'm talking about modern time... and while LKY did suggest 2 votes for some, are we or anyone else currently doing it ??

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    The quote in a 2010 article:

    The various factions “are playing for keeps, and they don’t care who is watching,” said Ernest Bower, director of Southeast Asian studies at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. The country, he warned, is poised to step off the brink and into “the political equivalent of the unknown.”
    We can only kibitz here in a forum. Let them decide what they want to do with their country. If the personal ambition of some elite is so over-powering that they are prepared to destabilise the country, then it is none of our business. Their persistence and desperation this time, does make others wonder why.

    http://www.economist.com/node/15718981

    http://www.nbcnews.com/id/53821147/n.../#.UrLW6dIW2_g

    In the meantime, their mob rabble rouser makes open threats against the elected Thai Prime Minister, that worsen from the outrageous to the insane.

    The mob rabble rouser openly talks about "eradicating" the Thaksin regime.
    http://www.pattayaone.net/national/1...haksin-regime/
    http://www.nationmultimedia.com/poli...-30222133.html


    So if he succeeds in grabbing power, will there be mass purges in Thailand?

    Kind of reminiscent of Stalin, Pol Pot and Saddam Hussein.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    I'm talking about modern time... and while LKY did suggest 2 votes for some, are we or anyone else currently doing it ??
    Oh modern time. Then Singapore women has 2 votes, their votes plus their husbands' votes.

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    BTW did anyone realize that the Thai Government is almost in risk of bond default because of their very high deficit in the Rice buying scheme?
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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    Oh modern time. Then Singapore women has 2 votes, their votes plus their husbands' votes.

    Hahaha... my Wifey is Filipino... so, no votes... LOL

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