Page 20 of 21 FirstFirst ... 101518192021 LastLast
Results 381 to 400 of 415

Thread: Riot at Little India now !!

  1. #381

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi View Post
    Since some people talked about Singapore Army, I have some questions.

    1) Will army be activated to kill rioters/ protesters / demonstrators if the police (SOC, some other elite forces) can't handle the situation.

    2) Army will be activated for potential conflict of wars or participate in a coup. Even if the army is activated, does that mean they will simply just shoot anyone on sight?

    Bear in mind that rioters / protesters / demonstrators are civilians. They may be armed with stones, sticks, bottles, etc but they are still classified as civilians. Unless we are like North Korea or China whereby the army will be activated to crush any riot/protest/demonstration. Remember Tiananmen Square incident in 1989? The tank just rolled over the protestors.
    Of course not. They will use nonlethal methods. Unless they are shot at.
    Alpha

  2. #382
    Senior Member shierwin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    East Coast
    Posts
    3,334

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by ahboy168 View Post
    Just curious. If any police die, how much their family can get ?
    Please correct if I'm wrong: One month pay for every year of service.

  3. #383

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    Of course not. They will use nonlethal methods. Unless they are shot at.
    Precisely. But one of our army guys said otherwise. That's why I am puzzled.


    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    We have 5000 NSF from Armor Regiment.

    When I was serving NS, my unit of 5000 men, have to stand by for 4 type of worst case scenarios

    1) War
    2) Terrorist attack ( Protect important places )
    3) Rescue operation ( Hotel New World / Sentosa cable car )
    4) Riots

    If my unit are activated for riots, you will see lots of dead bodies on the street.

  4. #384
    Senior Member shierwin's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    Location
    East Coast
    Posts
    3,334

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    A good article in "Today" newspaper:

    http://www.todayonline.com/voices/ri...waiting-happen

  5. #385

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi View Post
    Since some people talked about Singapore Army, I have some questions.

    1) Will army be activated to kill rioters/ protesters / demonstrators if the police (SOC, some other elite forces) can't handle the situation.

    2) Army will be activated for potential conflict of wars or participate in a coup. Even if the army is activated, does that mean they will simply just shoot anyone on sight?

    Bear in mind that rioters / protesters / demonstrators are civilians. They may be armed with stones, sticks, bottles, etc but they are still classified as civilians. Unless we are like North Korea or China whereby the army will be activated to crush any riot/protest/demonstration. Remember Tiananmen Square incident in 1989? The tank just rolled over the protestors.
    The army will be activated as the last resort.
    Meaning the gov already gave the rioters many chances to disperse peacefully.
    If they choose to stay and get shot, that is their choice.
    At Tiananmen Square, the tanks didn't rolled over the protesters, they fired machine guns at them. The Chinese authority did gave them chances to disperse peacefully but they refuse.
    They have forgotten Chairman Mao saying - "political power comes from a barrel of a gun".
    I eats, shoots & leaves

  6. #386

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    some say police is the most unreliable, followed by army. the last resort is Gurkha Contingent. they are the special guard force and neutral force

    Their presence as a neutral force was important because local police officers were often perceived to be (or were even expected to be) biased towards their own ethnic groups when handling racial disturbances, further fueling discontent and violence.[citation needed] Officers who attempt to carry out their duties impartially and in full accordance with the law also face social backlash from their own ethnic communities, a difficult situation which can even lead to physical harm to individual officers.
    In his autobiography, former Singapore Prime Minister Lee Kuan Yew recounted the use of the Gurkha Contingent as an impartial force at the time when Singapore had just gained independence. He wrote:
    "When I returned to Oxley Road [Lee's residence], Gurkha policemen (recruited by the British from Nepal) were posted as sentries. To have either Chinese policemen shooting Malays or Malay policemen shooting Chinese would have caused widespread repercussions. The Gurkhas, on the other hand, were neutral, besides having a reputation for total discipline and loyalty." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurkha_Contingent

  7. #387
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    sing
    Posts
    3,353

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    (OT from thread topic)

    Gurkhas are excellent soldiers. I have never believed the story that the Gurkha officers guarding Mas Selamat were derelict in their duty when he "escaped" from the toilet window. We know the Gurkha's high standards as soldiers and this is as unreal as it can get.
    Last edited by ricohflex; 15th December 2013 at 09:08 AM.

  8. #388
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    BB West
    Posts
    2,184

    Default

    Just got this thinking. If one day robots become our slaves and can do human works. (Like those irobot), then they no longer needed and less one problem for us? Heh heh!
    Only Sony device mostly, haha!

  9. #389
    Moderator diver-hloc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Somewhere North
    Posts
    5,201

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM View Post
    Just got this thinking. If one day robots become our slaves and can do human works. (Like those irobot), then they no longer needed and less one problem for us? Heh heh!


    Scuba & Father... For Life

  10. #390

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by BBTM View Post
    Just got this thinking. If one day robots become our slaves and can do human works. (Like those irobot), then they no longer needed and less one problem for us? Heh heh!
    Robots are already our slaves, and are doing a huge amount of work in factory lines and other forms of manufacturing. Even our planes and most systems are controlled by computers

  11. #391
    Senior Member Sion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    新天地
    Posts
    4,768

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    Robots are already our slaves, and are doing a huge amount of work in factory lines and other forms of manufacturing. Even our planes and most systems are controlled by computers
    Thank God that they are not in our bedrooms.


  12. #392

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jedi View Post
    Since some people talked about Singapore Army, I have some questions.

    1) Will army be activated to kill rioters/ protesters / demonstrators if the police (SOC, some other elite forces) can't handle the situation.

    2) Army will be activated for potential conflict of wars or participate in a coup. Even if the army is activated, does that mean they will simply just shoot anyone on sight?

    Bear in mind that rioters / protesters / demonstrators are civilians. They may be armed with stones, sticks, bottles, etc but they are still classified as civilians. Unless we are like North Korea or China whereby the army will be activated to crush any riot/protest/demonstration. Remember Tiananmen Square incident in 1989? The tank just rolled over the protestors.
    Today's ST Ng Eng Hen volunteered the saf to quell riots if the spf cannot handle

  13. #393

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Sion View Post

    Thank God that they are not in our bedrooms.
    Wait what! I would like that

  14. #394

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    We have a truck full of ammo.

    When machine guns start to spray bullets around, anyone stupid enough to stand in the line of fire will die.

    That include bystanders taking photos of the riots and may be some residents if they stand too close to the windows.

    That is only for worst case scenarios when the police cannot handle the situation and it is getting out of control.

    No lah, you will activate only in infantry role, i.e. no vehicles.
    May not even get to draw personal arms, only issued wicker shield and baton.

  15. #395
    Deregistered
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    singapore
    Posts
    1,283

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Some minister said that building of dorm will be speed up and their welfare will be looked into.
    Let's just hope that we are not sending a wrong message that people can get what they want thru violence and strikes.

  16. #396
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2005
    Location
    sing
    Posts
    3,353

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    I recall that when he was the SCDF commissioner, James Tan immediately went to the site of a big fire & also to the Nicoll Highway disaster site. As far as SCDF forces were concerned, he directed operations while personally present at the disaster/serious event site. And not by remote control through a long chain of command, while sitting in a nice office far away, getting 2nd/3rd/4th hand reports of fast changing events happening in the field.

    I find this willingness/readiness/confidence by a top ranking official to exercise LEADERSHIP in the field, missing in Police response during the recent riot in Little India. Perhaps in the coming review, the Police or their oversight Ministry the MHA, can consider how this aspect can be improved.

    James Tan is the soldier's soldier, when he was in the Armour formation, before he was seconded to the SCDF to take over from Chng Teow Hua.
    Last edited by ricohflex; 15th December 2013 at 05:31 PM.

  17. #397
    Moderator diver-hloc's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Location
    Somewhere North
    Posts
    5,201

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    Some minister said that building of dorm will be speed up and their welfare will be looked into.
    Let's just hope that we are not sending a wrong message that people can get what they want thru violence and strikes.

    Yup... lets not build more BTO, increase welfare for poor and elderly too... just in case sending wrong messages that voters can get what they want thru their votes....

    Btw... doing the correct and decent thing for people (even FW) isn't wrong....

    Scuba & Father... For Life

  18. #398

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    Some minister said that building of dorm will be speed up and their welfare will be looked into.
    Let's just hope that we are not sending a wrong message that people can get what they want thru violence and strikes.
    I'm seriously confused now.. few pages back someone suggest police use violence to deter future perpetrators, even suggesting to ignore 'human rights'
    Now its 'violence can't achieve anything' ?!

  19. #399
    Deregistered
    Join Date
    Dec 2012
    Location
    singapore
    Posts
    1,283

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by hanzohattori View Post
    I'm seriously confused now.. few pages back someone suggest police use violence to deter future perpetrators, even suggesting to ignore 'human rights'
    Now its 'violence can't achieve anything' ?!
    Confused indeed you are, my friend. Confused indeed you are on which side we are referring to

  20. #400
    Senior Member Sion's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    新天地
    Posts
    4,768

    Default Re: Riot at Little India now !!

    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    Confused indeed you are, my friend. Confused indeed you are on which side we are referring to
    "Confusion is the root of all evils" - Confucis.

Page 20 of 21 FirstFirst ... 101518192021 LastLast

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •