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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    If ever that was to happen... most likely it will be the mobilization of Armed Police and/or SAF... And the suppression would be done with Armour and live rounds.

    I pray that it will never happen as the damage will be too great should blood is ever spill on the streets like this...

    Also... unless all 600k turned Zombie... I really doubt you can get 600k people working as one. Point in fact would be there were more than 400 FW in little india that night... and alot of them didn't join in.
    By the time everyone reports to mob centre, equips and moves out, the rioters would have got tired of rioting, dispersed and gone home to sleep.

    We need to think of the worst case scenario and be prepare for it, not finding comfort in how improbable the scenario may be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    We have 5000 NSF from Armor Regiment.

    When I was serving NS, my unit of 5000 men, have to stand by for 4 type of worst case scenarios

    1) War
    2) Terrorist attack ( Protect important places )
    3) Rescue operation ( Hotel New World / Sentosa cable car )
    4) Riots

    If my unit are activated for riots, you will see lots of dead bodies on the street.
    Are you telling me all 5000 NSF are standing by in camp waiting for activation at any time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    During my NS, our missions were always to infiltrate into enemy territory and kill or get killed. I should have joined the police instead.
    Yes. During my NS days, we knew that we will be the first one to send to the front line to die but we are always the last one to book out during weekend

    No white horse in our unit. Only expendable boys from low income families.

    Very demoralizing
    I eats, shoots & leaves

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusher View Post
    Are you telling me all 5000 NSF are standing by in camp waiting for activation at any time?
    Yes. But not every weekend. Every week, a different unit will be on stand by.
    I eats, shoots & leaves

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    Yes. But not every weekend. Every week, a different unit will be on stand by.
    So is no lar, what yes.

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    I think that those who think that our police officers are useless should go move elsewhere to stay if they don't feel safe here. I heard that the American and African police are extremely capable too

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    I think that those who think that our police officers are useless should go move elsewhere to stay if they don't feel safe here. I heard that the American and African police are extremely capable too
    If you think those who commented that the Police officer are useless and felt offended, you should just leave this forum.

    That's your logic?
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    I was reading the Yahoo comments section from some of the news (forget which one).... and someone mentioned why SG go all the way out to PUSH for Economic Progress is due to this... Not sure how much he knows.... But he mentioned that SG have been pushing for economic progress and ignored all the social issues that comes along with it...... like Casino, importing of FT.... all to spur the economy.... but endanger our social security...... and stability...

    But how many of you know this?

    Singapore

    111.4% of GDP (2012 est.)
    106% of GDP (2011 est.)
    note: for Singapore, public debt consists largely of Singapore Government Securities (SGS) issued to assist the Central Provident Fund (CPF), which administers Singapore's defined contribution pension fund; special issues of SGS are held by the CPF, and are non-tradable; the government has not borrowed to finance deficit expenditures since the 1980s
    I am not an economist... but I do not like the idea of being 111.4% in debt... maybe someone can enlighten me......

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...elds/2186.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_public_debt
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    Is Singapore's prized social stability under threat?
    - 12 Dec 2013 CNBC

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/101270246

    A rare incident of rioting in Singapore over the weekend has raised questions about social harmony in the wealthy Southeast Asian nation that has been built on a reputation of stability and prides itself on a long history of racial cohesion.

    The underlying cause for the violence late Sunday, which was triggered by a fatal road accident that killed an Indian national, appears to be the festering grievance among low-wage foreigners.

    "Poor people, whether foreign or local, are constantly reminded of their conditions in a city with obvious wealth; frustration is inevitable. The riot was obviously a 'blowing off steam' of pent-up frustrations and felt social isolation," Chua Beng Huat, head of the Sociology Department at the National University of Singapore, told CNBC.

    Singapore has one of the biggest wealth gaps in the developed world. Its Gini coefficient – which measures the degree of inequality within a country where zero is complete equality and one is maximum inequality – rose to 0.478 last year, the highest among advanced economies, apart from Hong Kong.

    Chua said while the single incident should not be blown out of proportion, the risk of subsequent outbursts cannot be ruled out.

    "When you have tens of thousands of people with relatively same sentiment crowded into a limited space, mass behavior should be expected anytime; the risk is perpetual," he said. Little India, the city's ethnic Indian district where the riots took place, is a popular hangout for South Asian workers during the weekends.

    Migrant workers have been an integral part of Singapore's $274 billion economy, enabling a construction and infrastructure boom over the past two decades that has transformed the tiny island nation into a world-class city.

    There are around 1.3 million foreign nationals in Singapore whose population is 5.4 million, many of whom are employed in low-paying labor-intensive or services jobs that are shunned by most locals. More than 300,000 work permit holders are employed by the construction industry alone.

    According to the non-profit organization Transient Workers Count Too (TWCT), the city's foreign workers have long been victims of mistreatment, from being denied proper medical treatment by their employers to failing to receive their promised salaries.

    "It is not possible at this stage to say what part these feelings played in the explosion of random violence," the organization said on its website earlier this week.

    "Nonetheless, it would still be good for the authorities to pay more attention to such grievances. Doing so would reduce whatever sense of resentment that may exist, and thereby raise the threshold of the tipping point to better prevent another incident from happening again," it added.

    While Sunday's riot was the country's first in more than four decades, migrants workers have become much more vocal about their discontent in the recent years. In 2012, for instance, 170 public-bus drivers recruited from China went on strike illegally to protest against pay and living conditions.


    These incidents have agitated Singaporeans who are increasingly frustrated with the influx of foreigners, who they perceive as putting a strain on the infrastructure and resources of their country – which is less than half the size of London.

    Earlier this year, around 5,000 Singaporeans assembled to protest peacefully against the government's target to raise the population to 6.9 million mostly through immigrants to offset a chronically low birth rate.

    The challenge facing the government is a multi-faceted one – involving the stability of the migrant labor force and ensuring local grievances surrounding the influx of foreigners do not escalate.

    "I believe Singapore knows what it needs to do in terms of deepening engagement at the grassroots level, listening to the input of groups of its citizens and visiting workers who had not been enfranchised previously, and designing institutional accommodation for these people," said Ernie Bower, senior adviser for the Center for Strategic & International Studies, a Washington D.C.- based think-tank.

    "If the government fails to take these steps, it will open the door further for political competition from opposition parties," he said.

    However, Bower said the government is unlikely to miss the mandate it is receiving to adapt to new circumstances.

    The day after the riot, Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said he had ordered a Committee of Inquiry (COI) to review the factors that led to the incident. On Wednesday, Law and Foreign Minister K Shanmugam responded by holding a dialogue with foreign workers to discuss working and living conditions in the city.
    It is good to read from oversea news to gain other insight.... Dun be an ostrich....
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    It is good to have temporary weekend stop on alcohol sales in the area.

    FYI if you are partying anywhere near there on the weekend.

    No drink zone.

    In the longer term, if the alcohol ban on weekends within the zone is continued into the future; then the foreign South Asian workers may congregate to nearby surrounding enclaves just outside the zone, such as:

    • Eminent Plaza area with plenty of drinking spots and a large food centre selling alcoholic drinks.

    • Jalan Berseh food centre with many stalls selling alcoholic drinks.

    • Albert food centre

    • Bencoolen Street

    • Peace Centre area/Sunshine Plaza

    Over the long term (say, e.g. 1 year), the hotels and motels operating within the zone may find it inconvenient to deny their hotel/motel guests alcoholic drinks on weekends.

    Though unlikely, there is concern of copy cat protests by other nationalities in their separate enclaves in Peninsula (Myanmar) - yes, much alcohol drinking at night on weekends; Golden Mile (Thai) - plenty of beer pubs; Geylang (PRC) - even more beer pubs/ktvs/coffeeshops selling beer.
    Last edited by ricohflex; 14th December 2013 at 09:01 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusher View Post
    So is no lar, what yes.
    There are more than 5000 NSF in SG.

    When my unit stand down, another unit with 5000 NSF will be on stand by.

    There are more than 50,000 including Airforce and Navy, on stand by at any moment of time.

    Their job is to hold the front line until the reservists of 300,000 are mobilize and armed to join the front line as reinforcement.
    I eats, shoots & leaves

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    MHA should give those heroic Indians some medals for saving the lives of Mdm Wong and those officers hiding in the ambulance. Give the man a Tiger! Or Heineken also can!

    This one fake hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    Yes. During my NS days, we knew that we will be the first one to send to the front line to die but we are always the last one to book out during weekend

    No white horse in our unit. Only expendable boys from low income families.

    Very demoralizing
    I share your pain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusher View Post
    By the time everyone reports to mob centre, equips and moves out, the rioters would have got tired of rioting, dispersed and gone home to sleep.

    We need to think of the worst case scenario and be prepare for it, not finding comfort in how improbable the scenario may be.

    Then what is your suggestion ??

    Lock them all up every weekend ?? Mobilize half the riot police force every weekend ?? Or post riot police in armoured vehicles around any areas where FW congregate ??

    You have any concrete suggestion beside stating - "think of the worst case scenario and be prepare for it" ??

    Any that doesn't -

    * violate basic human rights
    * turn certain area of this country into a Police emergency/control zone on the weekends
    * send back tens of thousands of FW and have 'robots' replace them
    * Forceful restrict FW to gather at certain areas


    We here, are all ears... waiting for your insights and ideas on how to solve this problem without p*ssing off more people, be them FW who will have their basic rights to gather with friends violated... or the NS policeman/armed forces personal, who will be mobilized and standby at camps all over S'pore every weekend. Lets no forget companies that depends on FW to work because S'porean are unlikely to be willing to work as road sweeper, cleaner, construction/shipyard workers for the type of pay they are paying the FW...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon View Post
    I was reading the Yahoo comments section from some of the news (forget which one).... and someone mentioned why SG go all the way out to PUSH for Economic Progress is due to this... Not sure how much he knows.... But he mentioned that SG have been pushing for economic progress and ignored all the social issues that comes along with it...... like Casino, importing of FT.... all to spur the economy.... but endanger our social security...... and stability...

    But how many of you know this?



    I am not an economist... but I do not like the idea of being 111.4% in debt... maybe someone can enlighten me......

    https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...elds/2186.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_public_debt
    and wonder why the need for such PUSH. are they in deep shxx with debts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon View Post
    It is good to read from oversea news to gain other insight.... Dun be an ostrich....
    spot-on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    It is good to have temporary weekend stop on alcohol sales in the area.

    FYI if you are partying anywhere near there on the weekend.

    No drink zone.

    In the longer term, if the alcohol ban on weekends within the zone is continued into the future; then the foreign South Asian workers may congregate to nearby surrounding enclaves just outside the zone, such as:

    • Eminent Plaza area with plenty of drinking spots and a large food centre selling alcoholic drinks.

    • Jalan Berseh food centre with many stalls selling alcoholic drinks.

    • Albert food centre

    • Bencoolen Street

    • Peace Centre area/Sunshine Plaza

    Over the long term (say, e.g. 1 year), the hotels and motels operating within the zone may find it inconvenient to deny their hotel/motel guests alcoholic drinks on weekends.

    Though unlikely, there is concern of copy cat protests by other nationalities in their separate enclaves in Peninsula (Myanmar) - yes, much alcohol drinking at night on weekends; Golden Mile (Thai) - plenty of beer pubs; Geylang (PRC) - even more beer pubs/ktvs/coffeeshops selling beer.
    it makes me laugh out loud when i see news clip on Parkroyal staff clearing beer from rooms minibar. What nonsense!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yutaka Go View Post
    Yes. During my NS days, we knew that we will be the first one to send to the front line to die but we are always the last one to book out during weekend

    No white horse in our unit. Only expendable boys from low income families.

    Very demoralizing
    you can run for your life too. LOLLLLL

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    certain country just wasted their no.2.

    when we need to get hard, hv to be hard.

    At times you would need strong hands to rule and keep proper order. LOL

    I would say best strategy is to whack the hell out of any future rioters. Riots simply cannot be tolerated in this country. forget about human rights. There is no such thing as human rights in a riot, unlike a peaceful protest.

    All efforts of LKY wasted in one day.
    Last edited by d2xpeter; 14th December 2013 at 11:42 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    All efforts of LKY wasted in one day.
    One night. Alas, we have turned soft.

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