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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    Correct. Because of proprietary technology that SG has in it's ships (mostly software).
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    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    ST? Proprietary technology? Omg. Give me a break! Really spoil the soup with these 2 ingredients added. LOL
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    ST Kinetics BRONCO All Terrain Tracked Carrier (renamed as Warthog for the British Army)is made with Proprietary ST Kinetics technology... and yet, the British Army and Thai Army uses it... in fact, the British Army reported NO DEATH in Afghanistan from IED attacks since they started using ST Proprietary Technology.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronco_...racked_Carrier

    https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/conte...-st-kinetics-1

    http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+...24-391375.html

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    ST Kinetics BRONCO All Terrain Tracked Carrier (renamed as Warthog for the British Army)is made with Proprietary ST Kinetics technology... and yet, the British Army and Thai Army uses it... in fact, the British Army reported NO DEATH in Afghanistan from IED attacks since they started using ST Proprietary Technology.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronco_...racked_Carrier

    https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/conte...-st-kinetics-1

    http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+...24-391375.html
    The BRONCO are modified to survive attack from RPG and land mines, which is much safer than the wheel vehicle use by the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post



    ST Kinetics BRONCO All Terrain Tracked Carrier (renamed as Warthog for the British Army)is made with Proprietary ST Kinetics technology... and yet, the British Army and Thai Army uses it... in fact, the British Army reported NO DEATH in Afghanistan from IED attacks since they started using ST Proprietary Technology.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronco_...racked_Carrier

    https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/conte...-st-kinetics-1

    http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+...24-391375.html
    Sorry, I ain't military expert, but I do notice that modern track vehicles will try to cover their wheel and tracks as much as possible.

    This one expose them all. What gives? What's the wisdom behind this design? Was it my narrow view that only looking at Merkava and Abrams?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxshade View Post
    Sorry, I ain't military expert, but I do notice that modern track vehicles will try to cover their wheel and tracks as much as possible.

    This one expose them all. What gives? What's the wisdom behind this design? Was it my narrow view that only looking at Merkava and Abrams?

    No an expert either... but this is just a stock photo from the internet... the 'real' working model used or retro fit by the British could be slightly difference...

    Anyone with the SAF's Armour division would like to comment ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    Correct. Because of proprietary technology that SG has in it's ships (mostly software).
    Benefiting a symbiosis relationship that is of a conglomerate really.

    Anyway I'm not aware of any significant "proprietary hardware or software" that we have been using all along, even so majority are still simply licensed copies of OEM products rebranded / repackaged as a whole through technological transfer agreements and memorandums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post
    No an expert either... but this is just a stock photo from the internet... the 'real' working model used or retro fit by the British could be slightly difference...

    Anyone with the SAF's Armour division would like to comment ??
    For light armor vehicles like M113 and Bronco, covering of tracks is for amphibious operation.



    The track is not cover if there is no river crossing operation.

    For tanks, the track is covered for additional protection for the crew.



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    Maybe the answer is a different type of war and a different enemy.

    The Taliban don't have same firepower as in - one main battle tank slugging it out against another main battle tank.

    They just use roadside IED or hit and run with RPG (hence the grill around the troop enclosure).

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    Does it come with new IU unit and COE..

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    Quote Originally Posted by d2xpeter View Post
    ST? Proprietary technology? Omg. Give me a break! Really spoil the soup with these 2 ingredients added. LOL
    Most countries will install their own software with their own encryption keys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rashkae View Post
    Most countries will install their own software with their own encryption keys.
    ya, you are right. I agree with that. It is good that we can "customise" it for added security.
    Lets hope that they do a good job.

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    It is also with great prudence that we decided to built up upon our Deep-Submergence Rescue (DSR) capability with the MV Swift Rescue (IMO 9536519) Submarine Support and Rescue Vessel (SSRV) along with the Deep Search and Rescue Six (DSAR 6) submersible.

    Those within the dolphin fraternity of the silent service should know the day when we almost came close to another disaster on par with that of the RSS Courageous collision incident.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reno77 View Post
    Yeh should ask Lim Swee Say to go Germany and give his better, faster, cheaper speech.
    He is such a gifted strategist, why didn't anyone think of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxshade View Post
    In my previous company I work for, a 200+ m tanker took a Jap company 5 yrs to build. I guess the sub is more complicated than a tanker.

    Their 5 yrs forecast in board meeting, always filled with new tankers name.
    Which is the reason why they are no longer in the scoreboard.

    Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering (DSME) is hauling out from the dry dock and launching one 400 metre long Maersk Triple E class (18,340 TEU) container vessel, the largest of its kind, approximately every 12 months or so from the commencement of keel laying and we are not even beginning to talk about the back log of bulk carriers, CNG / LNG carriers, ROs / ROs, VLCCs etc. etc. from Hyundai Heavy Industries (HHI), STX Offshore & Shipbuilding and Samsung Heavy Industries (SHI).
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    Quote Originally Posted by diver-hloc View Post



    ST Kinetics BRONCO All Terrain Tracked Carrier (renamed as Warthog for the British Army)is made with Proprietary ST Kinetics technology... and yet, the British Army and Thai Army uses it... in fact, the British Army reported NO DEATH in Afghanistan from IED attacks since they started using ST Proprietary Technology.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronco_...racked_Carrier

    https://www.thalesgroup.com/en/conte...-st-kinetics-1

    http://news.asiaone.com/News/Latest+...24-391375.html
    The extra armour don't seem to be of "ST Proprietary Technology"

    Excerpt :
    Once delivered to the UK, contractor Thales fits the vehicles according to MoD specifications with communications systems, specialist counter-measure equipment and extra protective armour at their facility in the former MoD depot at Llangennech near Llanelli, South Wales.[7] The first vehicles are expected to be in service in Afghanistan by mid-2010.
    In December 2010, British Army soldieróLance Corporal William Reeks survived an IED attack after the Warthog he was travelling in set off a 50 kg (110 lb) improvised explosive device. His family believes that the stronger armour of the Warthogs, which replaced less heavily fortified Viking armoured vehicles, helped save their son's life.[8][9]


    Source : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronco_...racked_Carrier

    Excerpt:

    Built in Singapore and imported to the UK as an amphibious Bronco carrier the new vehicles will undergo a speedy upgrade at the new facility opened today by defence contractor Thales UK.

    Extra armour, radios and specialist electronic counter-measure equipment will see the vehicle reborn as a British Warthog.


    Source : http://metro.co.uk/2009/11/19/new-1-...grades-561663/

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    Quote Originally Posted by UncleFai View Post
    http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking...-2020-20131202

    Won't they be obsolete by the time they arrive?
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