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    Quote Originally Posted by footprints
    hey, it's nice to bump into fellow coursemate here...i also take psych degree with SIM-OUC. This year is my last yr for this course and i'm doing child development .

    i know whatchya mean when you say cognitive psych driving you nuts! I've been there done that....do they still have that 2 weekend projects for you guys? i remember back then....Sat and Sun....go back to SIM to do project testings...9am to 9pm?

    Oh, allo to kiwi2 too!

    O, like what jsbn mentioned earlier, i took it up more for complementing my job and also for interest. Never thought of practicing psych here in Spore...
    Allo!!! Hey, nice to meet u here.

    Gosh, the weekend school so siong huh... I've heard about them.. Have it for my Social Psych too. I'm not looking forward to them.

    How does this course complement your job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi2
    What other one? Hey, din know u into psychology... Maybe you're in teaching and they have this Masters course is it? I know after you teach for some years, they allow you to go for some psych course, even though you dun have a psych degree... TRue?
    Yah ... I've always been fascinated by human behaviour ... got see my SEED threads? I always offer 'free counselling' but people think I'm joking leh ... As said I nearly wanted to do the Masters in Applied Psychology because then I was considering to eventually quit teaching and become a counsellor. Then just before I applied, my Principal challenged me to take over the English Department so you can guess what happened next ... now doing my Masters in English Language Education which I don't even have the slightest interest at first.

    Even now, from time to time I still wonder if I've made the right choice ... sheesh ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Goi
    Yah ... I've always been fascinated by human behaviour ... got see my SEED threads? I always offer 'free counselling' but people think I'm joking leh ... As said I nearly wanted to do the Masters in Applied Psychology because then I was considering to eventually quit teaching and become a counsellor. Then just before I applied, my Principal challenged me to take over the English Department so you can guess what happened next ... now doing my Masters in English Language Education which I don't even have the slightest interest at first.

    Even now, from time to time I still wonder if I've made the right choice ... sheesh ...
    To become a Head of Department you need a Masters? Just wondering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erwinx
    To become a Head of Department you need a Masters? Just wondering.
    Nope ... just that I do not have a linguistic background and I want to know more about language teaching and learning ... as said it was a long story ...

    Anyway back to the topic, think carefully and talk to relevant people who have been working in this field to get a clear picture ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Goi
    Nope ... just that I do not have a linguistic background and I want to know more about language teaching and learning ... as said it was a long story ...

    Anyway back to the topic, think carefully and talk to relevant people who have been working in this field to get a clear picture ...
    try reading Noam Chomsky, the father of modern Psycholinguistics.

    And to Kiwi2, no actually I got good grades for Stats, but lots of people were struggling EVEN though they were from top JCs doing Physics, C and F maths. Psychology is a social science but it uses the same tools the hard sciences use, like noise detection theory and 2AFC. Its also a different ball game between learning it and applying it to an experiment you designed and executed. Anyone can apply statistical tools, how many can make the argument statistically waterproof? This seperates a mediocre student from a good student.

    To say Physics and Math is tougher than Psych, those are words from a padawan learner. Any subject is only as tough and as complex as you want it to be. At the cutting edge of the discipline all subjects are tough, that is how we push the envelope and further the body of knowledge, not forgetting of course the Science faculty in NUS used to be a dumping ground for entrants who were less academically inclined. 1/6 people who apply to take Psych get it, and we're not talking about people with mediocre grades either. You'd be competing with the 4 or 5 'A's students who CHOSE to pursue a degree in the arts or social sciences. Typically those who get in have an IQ below which lie 5/6s of the population. I'd like to see the Physics and Maths department do that.

    If you take a read at current academic journals and periodicals you would get a better idea of what was happening in the Psych circles these days, instead of harping on Freud which no one really talks about these days anyways. These days Psych is more Stats and computation algorythms than anything else.

    And, psychologists never claimed to be medical doctors, nor do we have any interest in that, psychology and psychiatric medicine are two distinct fields. One focuses mainly on the individual whilst the other focuses mainly on aggregate human behavior.

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    Took human psychology before, read a lot about it, thick thick books, as part of social science studies. Have to write some thesis, etc about it, it was interesting! wrote a lot. But the quali paper itself is not much of a use, to me. Unless one branch it into other things like management, marketing, econs, etc.
    I've seen some psycho ppl (hahaha jk) into branding department, you know, marketing, where sights, sounds, packaging etc apply. Sort of like a consultant.
    I think Stats are not that hard, once you know the formulas and methods, linear, multiple regression are my fav!.
    but dont take my word for it, i'm actually not smart, just a talkative person. haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi2
    Oh so u find it a dread too huh! Hee.. I'm not the only one. Blame it on the textbooks. Gosh, the way the write it... Seriously, you should go see the American ones... Their Intro to Psych very shiok to read. Lots of colours, pictures, and real life applications. I remember even for our 1st year psych, the books sucks. So dry and boring. Black and white photocopied pics. Words words words.
    Argghhh... Shld have read those American texts instead. But we've all being brought up on a diet of British texts, of long-winded words and boring pictures. Sigh... Wad to do?

    IMHO, there is very little skills learnt. After 3 years, I can only say this so-and-so guy says this and that.... I find I understand people better and give them good advice from my own reading of self-help and improvement books.
    If u mean practical skills, yes. I do have to admit that we do learn quite little skills other den theories galore. But den I guess dat's part of the learning process? We read the text and meditate over the theories learnt to see if we can apply it in real life. I guess basically that's it?

    But nevertheless, for some strange human behaviour which I'd seen in others that I couldn't possibly understand what's going on wif that peep. Studying psychology certainly helped me in understanding the rationale behind a weird human behaviour.

    Sometimes, I feel I'm only summarizing what the texts say and put in my own words for the TMAs. There's no motivation... Cos as working adults, we don't really plough through outside resources and books.
    ARGH... Yeah quite true. Especially when u're taking 2 modules and u've gotta complete like 3 TMAs one shot in a month. Which precisely happened to me this month. Nearly drove me nuts and I churned out pure rubbish.

    I've met air stewards and stewardess too. Their companies actually sponsor them to get a degree! Cool huh...
    Yep. I met a couple of air stewardess too in my previous years. Guess it muz be tuff on them... Imagine, jet lag and all...


    Have you done Social Psych? Darn, the textbooks are driving me nuts!
    hehehe..... fortunately no. Social Psych is an Honours module right? I did Humanities, Exploring Psych, Childhood Development, doing Cog Psych and Business Management module... 1 more business module to go before I can graduate.

    I initially thought of transferring to the Honours programme but hmm.... Think I'll stop and take a break for a year or 2 after my graduation to catch up whatever I've been missing for the past 2.5yrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
    try reading Noam Chomsky, the father of modern Psycholinguistics.
    Pretty interesting theory he has there... the LAD. I subscribe and worship that theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn
    Pretty interesting theory he has there... the LAD. I subscribe and worship that theory.
    Yah ... Language Acquisition Device rulez!

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    And unfortunately, it seems that ppl are not using the LAD properly...

    Complaining abt juggling languages when their ability to learn languages is already inate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DeusExMachina
    try reading Noam Chomsky, the father of modern Psycholinguistics.

    And to Kiwi2, no actually I got good grades for Stats, but lots of people were struggling EVEN though they were from top JCs doing Physics, C and F maths. Psychology is a social science but it uses the same tools the hard sciences use, like noise detection theory and 2AFC. Its also a different ball game between learning it and applying it to an experiment you designed and executed. Anyone can apply statistical tools, how many can make the argument statistically waterproof? This seperates a mediocre student from a good student.

    To say Physics and Math is tougher than Psych, those are words from a padawan learner. Any subject is only as tough and as complex as you want it to be. At the cutting edge of the discipline all subjects are tough, that is how we push the envelope and further the body of knowledge, not forgetting of course the Science faculty in NUS used to be a dumping ground for entrants who were less academically inclined. 1/6 people who apply to take Psych get it, and we're not talking about people with mediocre grades either. You'd be competing with the 4 or 5 'A's students who CHOSE to pursue a degree in the arts or social sciences. Typically those who get in have an IQ below which lie 5/6s of the population. I'd like to see the Physics and Maths department do that.

    If you take a read at current academic journals and periodicals you would get a better idea of what was happening in the Psych circles these days, instead of harping on Freud which no one really talks about these days anyways. These days Psych is more Stats and computation algorythms than anything else.

    And, psychologists never claimed to be medical doctors, nor do we have any interest in that, psychology and psychiatric medicine are two distinct fields. One focuses mainly on the individual whilst the other focuses mainly on aggregate human behavior.
    yo yo bro...sounds like it gets a trifle personal here...

    Actually I dun care much how those pple (who studied Psych) had done in their A's or which JCs they had come from. Uni education is a new ball game altogether. I know many in my cohort who came from top 5 JCs and scored strings of A's but they did way below expectation in uni. Some couldn't even get into Honours prog or get Lower Honours. The past does not predict the future.

    So I c u're trying to imply u're intelligent: many struggled in the Stats course but u did well. Bravo. Pat on the back from me if that's what u want and feel good. Sincerely, no double meaning.

    When Psychology uses Stats, yes, it has a scientific basis. Or in some aspects, like certain research methodologies, using fMRI, computers to study cognitive processes, they employ a scientific approach. Other than that, most of the time, it uses scientific models at best rather than is a Science subject itself. I'm not belittling Psych. I love the arts and science. But no matter what, Psych is never a pure science. Noise detection and all that is just 1 small aspect of the totality.

    I didn't say Physics and Math are tougher than Psych, if that's what was implied. In fact, I won't even compare them, Cos for eg, Physics is a hard science, based on rigorous experiments usually repeatable and yielding consistent results; Psych is not. It's very much still an Arts subject.

    You seemed to imply in your previous posts Wow, NUS Psych Stats is a killer, the math is like Woooo.... I'm juz rebutting, it really depends on your math standard. As you mentioned above, a "subject is only as tough and as complex as you want it to be". So you substantiated your own earlier argument. What I'm Really saying is, if you think you've had it bad, you can refer to pure math or physics uni texts and the math there is arguably more challenging. Not surprising. In Physics or Physical Chemistry for eg, Math is our language. But then again, there's nothing to brag, cos I had classmates who breezed thru them. Again, it all depends on your math ability.

    Oh boy, I dunno why the heck you brought in the dumping ground thingy in Science. That's like having a low self-esteem of yourself isn't it? I wont be so despicable as to say Arts is a dumping ground too. People who go there just want to have a degree? Come out and then do admin job? Think tt's a low and derogatory way to put down others. Very cheap you know.

    How well you do in life is not dependent on where you come from. And I dun think Physics and Math department have so much time and resources (jiak pak so eng huh!) to make people take IQ tests. If you're good, proceed on get a good Honours, and maybe do post grad studies? If you're no good, you fail, either you get out of uni or get a mediocre basic degree? That's fair. NUS lets you study what you choose. You do well or not is your responsibility. Why belittle the faculty concerned in general?

    My God, if you still think that taking the IQ test is to select the best of the lot, it's an erroneous emotional booster. Otherwise, all Psych students should go on to direct Honous isn't it, if intelligence is what you're talking about? But nope, they didn't make it that way. That's bcos NUS Psych dept is pathetically small to handle a popular subject. I dun know yet of any overseas Ivy League unis which do that.

    Of cos hardly anyone talks about Freud anymore. It's rubbish. In fact, in some overseas unis, Freud, Jung, etc are studied by literature or even history students more than Psych students. Anyhow, the psychoanalysis theories make an interesting read...a novelty at best that you'd snigger after reading and get on with your own better life after that.

    You r right in saying Psychology and psychiatry are different. I dun see why they should be lumped together, though sometimes they do cross paths a little. I see little argument in this area. But, unfortunately, over here, psychiatry is still a medical related field, and much more respect is accorded to these medical specialists than psychology, which some say is "pian jiak". I wish pple would respect psychologists more here.

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