Seagull 4a-109 how is it like??

p4610yz · 28th May 2005

is there anyone using a seagull 4a-109??
how is like...is it comfortable to use.
it is a 4 element lens right.
i hav used a 4a-103
how much better is it than the 4a-103.

how much is it going for...
any idea how much is the price for this now..??
where can i get it too??

p4610yz · 28th May 2005

erm...ya...is there any metering on the 4a-109..??
i remember that there is one version of the seagull tat hav metering right...

ricohflex · 28th May 2005

maybe K13 got soem seagulls
also fotografix got a gold version seagull

phone first, save you wasted trip if they don't have.

p4610yz · 29th May 2005

erm...i hav been to k13 and hav a look but the shop staff dun seems very friendly and keen to do business...
i remember last time konota uncle got sell...now he is at TCW...not sure if he still sells seagull too...

ricohflex · 29th May 2005

oh you mean Nelson. he is now at TCW.

about K13 well maybe they were moody that day.
so don't buy from them if they don't welcome you.
But I know the elderly owner from 15 years back, so at least he entertains.

general rule is :
Never buy from a RUDE salesman no matter how much you like the product.

This applies to some of the "tourist only" shops, perhaps in Lucky Plaza or other tourist traps. They make so much ripping off tourists that they don't entertain locals who go in to bargain for low prices.

have seen some Seagulls in JB too.
but like everywhere, now cam shops sell mostly digi compact cams.
that is due to the demand from buyers and high profits for sellers
the sheer volume of digi compacts sold make them more important to the shop than than pro-level digi SLR.

behyx · 29th May 2005

hi care to reveal where in JB can i find Seagulls? What's the pricing like?

Originally Posted by ricohflex

oh you mean Nelson. he is now at TCW.

about K13 well maybe they were moody that day.
so don't buy from them if they don't welcome you.
But I know the elderly owner from 15 years back, so at least he entertains.

general rule is :
Never buy from a RUDE salesman no matter how much you like the product.
This applies to some of the "tourist only" shops, perhaps in Lucky Plaza or other tourist traps. They make so much ripping off tourists that they don't entertain locals who go in to bargain for low prices.

have seen some Seagulls in JB too.
but like everywhere, now cam shops sell mostly digi compact cams.
that is due to the demand from buyers and high profits for sellers
the sheer volume of digi compacts sold make them more important to the shop than than pro-level digi SLR.

ricohflex · 29th May 2005

Originally Posted by behyx

hi care to reveal where in JB can i find Seagulls? What's the pricing like?

I saw one in a 2nd or 3rd sty shop in City Square.
That is the major shopping complex along Jalan Wong Ah Fook, once you enter from the Causeway.

It was a gold TLR.
I think 107 model.

Never ask the price.

ratboy · 29th May 2005

I got a under utilised wwsc with the 4 element taking lens
see
http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=119440

Ratboy

p4610yz · 29th May 2005

erm...okok
but wat is the price of a new unit.??any idea??

i would like to hav a look at the wwsc??but is there any pics etc etc??

ratboy · 30th May 2005

see here
not my review : )
Originally sold in Singapore for around $400.00 new

http://www.photo.net/equipment/medium-format/seagull

Lam

p4610yz · 30th May 2005

do u get any vignetting on ur seagull...
just wondering if you can hold it for me..as i m going ns soon...so will be able to get from you in july..

ratboy · 31st May 2005

hmm, i never noticed any viginetting
then again, i believe i belong to the
" not so fussy " kind of photog : )

p4610yz · 31st May 2005

is there any metering on the wwsc?? or u hav to meter with something else

nightwolf75 · 31st May 2005

Originally Posted by p4610yz

is there any metering on the wwsc?? or u hav to meter with something else

AFAIK, seagull TLRs do not come with a meter (been searching for a reference to ur earlier statement abt a seagull with meter. can't find...). from wat i've read, i found out only some later model rolleicords TLR come with a selenium light meter (plus some old Kiev prism viewfinder attachments).

to meter with a seagull, u can either use a handheld meter, or use a SLR with a 50mm (50mm on a SLR is somewhat the equivalent of a 75mm on a 120 TLR).

p4610yz · 31st May 2005

okok...in fact i m thinking...should i just invest more in a used hass or get a new seagull..cos i hav used the seagull b4...and the pics are really nice...
i m wondering abt the hass....they dun hav metering too...hav to buy the angle viewer then will hav..right..

nightwolf75 · 31st May 2005

Originally Posted by p4610yz

okok...in fact i m thinking...should i just invest more in a used hass or get a new seagull..cos i hav used the seagull b4...and the pics are really nice...
i m wondering abt the hass....they dun hav metering too...hav to buy the angle viewer then will hav..right..

u can go to TCW to take a look? they have some used starter kits for sale there - believe its the 503CW body with a lens. u might have to go get ur own 120 film back(s) and/or prism viewfinder. the kits, IIRC, were going for ard $800+? all depends on the condition.

hassy of course the dream MF camera for the MF fans lah... but, at 2-3 times the price of a TLR..

u might find some complete hassy and/or bronica setups in Buy/Sell. check it out?

p4610yz · 31st May 2005

ya...i saw it at tcw!!! but if i m getting med format..most likely will b 6x6 cos it is really something different from other rectangular format..
ya...but i heard that a hass is not so easy to operated...something like hav to **** lens...**** film back...**** the body.. read until blur man..

nightwolf75 · 31st May 2005

Originally Posted by p4610yz

ya...i saw it at tcw!!! but if i m getting med format..most likely will b 6x6 cos it is really something different from other rectangular format..
ya...but i heard that a hass is not so easy to operated...something like hav to **** lens...**** film back...**** the body.. read until blur man..

no camera, MF or otherwise, is hard to operate... as long as the user reads the manual!

last yr, i organised a small MF shooters gathering. my fren, a 35mm SLR user, borrowed a hassy from another guy the day b4. on the actual shoot, he looked at the cam, fiddle with it to learn where are all the levers and off he went! the only hitch he had was film loading - 120 film loading is not as simple as 35mm loading, as most MF users will testify!

if u think MF is hard to operate, u shld talk to some CSers who still use 4x5 cameras - ie Large Format...

ratboy · 31st May 2005

the seagull comes with a small stick that has a
recommended "Sunny F16" rule/exposure guide on it : )

Thats the nearest to free meters !!!
works great on sunny days

ratboy · 31st May 2005

Originally Posted by p4610yz

ya...i saw it at tcw!!! but if i m getting med format..most likely will b 6x6 cos it is really something different from other rectangular format..
ya...but i heard that a hass is not so easy to operated...something like hav to **** lens...**** film back...**** the body.. read until blur man..

hmm clubsnap actually censored your C_o_c_k ?
dun they know that this word is the norm with
manual shutter film cameras ...
or has everyone migrated to motordrives & digital ???

anyway, those difficulty you mention is only for individual
cameras, each camera having its own special way of operation.

same for 35mm
some load from left to right, some right to left
some also must c*ck shutter b4 retracting lens

28th May 2005	#1
p4610yz Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Sengkang Posts: 356	Seagull 4a-109 how is it like?? is there anyone using a seagull 4a-109?? how is like...is it comfortable to use. it is a 4 element lens right. i hav used a 4a-103 how much better is it than the 4a-103. how much is it going for... any idea how much is the price for this now..?? where can i get it too??

28th May 2005	#3
ricohflex Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: sing Posts: 1,561	k13 and fotografix maybe K13 got soem seagulls also fotografix got a gold version seagull phone first, save you wasted trip if they don't have.

29th May 2005	#5
ricohflex Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: sing Posts: 1,561	seagull oh you mean Nelson. he is now at TCW. about K13 well maybe they were moody that day. so don't buy from them if they don't welcome you. But I know the elderly owner from 15 years back, so at least he entertains. general rule is : Never buy from a RUDE salesman no matter how much you like the product. This applies to some of the "tourist only" shops, perhaps in Lucky Plaza or other tourist traps. They make so much ripping off tourists that they don't entertain locals who go in to bargain for low prices. have seen some Seagulls in JB too. but like everywhere, now cam shops sell mostly digi compact cams. that is due to the demand from buyers and high profits for sellers the sheer volume of digi compacts sold make them more important to the shop than than pro-level digi SLR.

29th May 2005	#8
ratboy Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 703	I got a under utilised wwsc with the 4 element taking lens see http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=119440 Ratboy

30th May 2005	#10
ratboy Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 703	see here not my review : ) Originally sold in Singapore for around $400.00 new http://www.photo.net/equipment/medium-format/seagull Lam

31st May 2005	#12
ratboy Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 703	hmm, i never noticed any viginetting then again, i believe i belong to the " not so fussy " kind of photog : )