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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake
    who's that gal?? happens to be david beckham's wifey?
    Worse! She's Wayne Rooney's new squeeze.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahheng
    Worse! She's Wayne Rooney's new squeeze.
    ahhh... so Sir Alex decided to give her up to Rooney.... ahhhh i c i c...

    at least ibitemynails won't feel so sad now that her fave player giggsy has been cleared off the suspect list!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake
    ahhh... so Sir Alex decided to give her up to Rooney.... ahhhh i c i c...

    at least ibitemynails won't feel so sad now that her fave player giggsy has been cleared off the suspect list!
    I think she's actually old enough to be Rooney's mother

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake
    ahhh... so Sir Alex decided to give her up to Rooney.... ahhhh i c i c...

    at least ibitemynails won't feel so sad now that her fave player giggsy has been cleared off the suspect list!
    huh???


    who who????


    huh????

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    sigh, as usual, all the exciting post-season transfer gossip but always seem to come to nothing. vincente apparently not keen on a move according to media watch at liverpoolfc.tv. the only seemingly concrete move seems to be reina (i hope he comes in to challenge dudek but i am not sure we should let the dude go first) and crouch. nice to have an english striker in the side but for 7mil i wonder if he's good enough. he's big, i give that, but he's not particularly clinical and his all-round play is no better than mellor. not quite the pedigree forward we need to hold our line. don't look like a first team player. agree with wong se here in that heskey is better. i still feel that heskey has lost his confidence and goal scoring touch under houllier but rafa may have been able to revive him. wasted!

    rather than size (after all, we have nando), i'd rather we get a wily forward like recoba who can link with the midfield and create chances. i feel that our front line had always been painfully predictable and lack quality in their movements off the ball. we need that unpredictability in the attack to unlock premiership defences.

    maybe we should invest in a goalscoring midfielder like julio baptista or aimar instead. i'm a big aimar fan but sadly i think baptista would be my choice though cos he's more physical than aimar.

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    btw, martina navratilova is a tennis player lah. one of the great players of her time. but really dunno how a comment by her can make the headlines for so many soccer sites. as far as i know, she is no football pundit and was only in liverpool to play in a tennis game. maybe next time, beckham will say he doesn't believe federer would win the wimbledon and it would be on the frontpage of ATP tour magazine?

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    actually at this point i don't really care if we go into CL next season...

    it's been such a chore and bother dragging and involving nearly everybody...


    i'm tired....

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    Quote Originally Posted by giddygoat
    btw, martina navratilova is a tennis player lah. one of the great players of her time. but really dunno how a comment by her can make the headlines for so many soccer sites. as far as i know, she is no football pundit and was only in liverpool to play in a tennis game. maybe next time, beckham will say he doesn't believe federer would win the wimbledon and it would be on the frontpage of ATP tour magazine?
    Well, she is not only the one say this thou. One liverpool great also said the same thing. He is Kenny Dalglish

    What she said make the headlines because she was giving interviews la. With all the media people around, sure it will make headlines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kahheng
    I think she's actually old enough to be Rooney's mother
    hahahaha! and rooney won't mind i guess!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake
    hahahaha! and rooney won't mind i guess!
    rooney??

    who u all talking about??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ibitemynails
    actually at this point i don't really care if we go into CL next season...

    it's been such a chore and bother dragging and involving nearly everybody...


    i'm tired....
    if Liverpool is to get an automatic place in the group phase that means a guaranteed £5.5m for them. (Raad the full article here)

    I dun think it is tired for LFC management to urge for UEFA decision that is worth GBP5.5m.

    Btw..I dun think believe the Committee will give them an automated place in group phase. Most likely LFC has to play the 3rd qualifying round.

    Will know the result tonite....

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    Quote Originally Posted by wong_se
    CM are reserved for Alonso and Gerrard. We all know and agree.

    So, we only have Hamann and Welsh. U think having 4 CM is sufficient coverage ?

    Playing away game vs Juventus..our formation is 4-5-1. We already used 3 CM.

    Do not want him vs Want him but can't renew working permit is very different.

    Unless Rafa is working on Aimar and it is kept from the media....
    4 central midfielders is probably insufficient... however, i do believe Rafa will buy another CM... Aimar is a possibility. Essien in exchange of Baros is also a possibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wong_se
    when we hvae heskey...who score 15 goal a season, he always being booed by the fans as he is not scoring goals.

    but when we have Crouch..it is ok that he can gove very different option in attack, but who can;t score 15 goals a a season.

    Why so biased ? i am sure in term of utlisation..heskey is a much better player than Crouch. WHy not buy back Heskey at 7m rather than wasted on Crouch (who had not proven at all) ?
    Did Heskey score 15 goals/season when he's with liverpool? I don't think so. he prob score 15 or more in his 1st season as well as the season when we won the cups... other seasons, i think he scored about 10 or so only.

    The thing abt Crouch is his potential. Heskey is there already, he won;t get any better, at least thats what i feel and most people will agree. Crouch as mentioned is still pretty raw.

    However, he has proved 2 things. He's good in the air, given that he's 6'6, he's should be good anyway. You can argue that Heskey is strong in the air but how often you see him winning headers in Penalty box? He's good in the air when he's linking up and knocking down balls outside the box where there's more space and time.

    Anything i realised that for Crouch, even though he's tall, he's actually quite skillful. I have saw him scored goals that i would not have expected him to. He moves well and dribble well for a big guy. He also does not get disheartened easily like Heskey.

    Heskey is a bit soft for my liking. With his size and built, he shd be charging into penalty box and creating havoc like Rooney or terrorise defence when attacking corners like Duncan Ferguson.

    Thats why i feel Heskey is a failure. I doubt he will be an england regular also and will prob miss the World Cup....

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    Quote Originally Posted by giddygoat
    sigh, as usual, all the exciting post-season transfer gossip but always seem to come to nothing. vincente apparently not keen on a move according to media watch at liverpoolfc.tv. the only seemingly concrete move seems to be reina (i hope he comes in to challenge dudek but i am not sure we should let the dude go first) and crouch. nice to have an english striker in the side but for 7mil i wonder if he's good enough. he's big, i give that, but he's not particularly clinical and his all-round play is no better than mellor. not quite the pedigree forward we need to hold our line. don't look like a first team player. agree with wong se here in that heskey is better. i still feel that heskey has lost his confidence and goal scoring touch under houllier but rafa may have been able to revive him. wasted!

    rather than size (after all, we have nando), i'd rather we get a wily forward like recoba who can link with the midfield and create chances. i feel that our front line had always been painfully predictable and lack quality in their movements off the ball. we need that unpredictability in the attack to unlock premiership defences.

    maybe we should invest in a goalscoring midfielder like julio baptista or aimar instead. i'm a big aimar fan but sadly i think baptista would be my choice though cos he's more physical than aimar.
    We dun really need a "recoba" or a "riquelme" as essentially, we already have players like garcia, kewell, alonso and gerrard that can do the link up play or play the crucial passes. Of course, it will be good to have but not essential for our success next season.

    Our requirement shd be:
    GK - Reina (shd be confirmed already)... Dudek as back up, Carson for future and Kirkland sold to WBA.
    CD - Milito shd be good enough to take over from Hyypia and Hyypia will be cover. Meljani (our youth player seems to be playing very well in france...)
    RB - i feel we need cover here as i think we shd sell Josemi... If we keep him, he shd provide cover for Finnan. Alternatively, Carra or Welsh can play as well so not big issue.
    CM - We will prob get another attacking midfielder to cover for Gerrard/Alonso. Aimar will be perfect.
    RM - If nunez don't improve, we will need someone there esp since Smicer also left. La Tallec shd get a chance though.
    Striker- I like Crouch and if Baros goes, we shd get someone else, maybe a youngster for the future... Carlos Tevez will be perfect but work permit is an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nemesis32
    Did Heskey score 15 goals/season when he's with liverpool? I don't think so. he prob score 15 or more in his 1st season as well as the season when we won the cups... other seasons, i think he scored about 10 or so only.

    The thing abt Crouch is his potential. Heskey is there already, he won;t get any better, at least thats what i feel and most people will agree. Crouch as mentioned is still pretty raw.

    However, he has proved 2 things. He's good in the air, given that he's 6'6, he's should be good anyway. You can argue that Heskey is strong in the air but how often you see him winning headers in Penalty box? He's good in the air when he's linking up and knocking down balls outside the box where there's more space and time.

    Anything i realised that for Crouch, even though he's tall, he's actually quite skillful. I have saw him scored goals that i would not have expected him to. He moves well and dribble well for a big guy. He also does not get disheartened easily like Heskey.

    Heskey is a bit soft for my liking. With his size and built, he shd be charging into penalty box and creating havoc like Rooney or terrorise defence when attacking corners like Duncan Ferguson.

    Thats why i feel Heskey is a failure. I doubt he will be an england regular also and will prob miss the World Cup....
    Heskey scored 60 goals for 4 season with us.

    Much higher goal scored compared to Smith..or most of the 2nd striker of MU, Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle.

    He won league cup, super cup, fa cup, charity shield, and Uefa cup with Liverpool where he played major role.

    I wonder why u woud feel he is a failure.

    Potential is potential. I have the potential to be the great artist, the sportsman, the PM, the whatever..but never realise it. U dun buy potential like Crouch at 7m....

    heskey is strong in the air...his role (instructed by houllier) is to be the main target man..to take up 2 defenders to free space for others.

    I dun see him winning headers in Penalty box often.. but there are more than 1000 times...he win headers for Owen and for his team mate..

    And I do see him running back to help defending Crouch certainly had not showned this capability and physcial level to run up and down.

    even though he's tall, he's also actually quite skillful. I have saw him scored goals that i would not have expected him to. He moves well and dribble well for a big guy. ie...goal against Munich in the Super cup, 5-1 thrash germany, and most recently (2004/2005) he dribbled past and march on 3 defenders to score againt Chalrton, he scored from long range against Everton, he run pass arsenal defender and scored against Arsenal.


    that ;s why we called "biased" on judgement in heskey.

    again - stats count, stats to analyse a player without much emotion judgement. Pls name me a 2nd striker for the club like MU, Arsenal, Chelsea, and Newcastle during the same period 2000-2004...that he can score 60 goals in total.

    I am doubt that u can have more than 1.

    So, heskey did scored goals rite ?

    And I am sure we dun need to look at "assit on goal". Heskey has the highest number on assist goal for Liverpool during 2000-2004.

    So..a striker can go..can assit on goal, had won medals - it is a failure...???

    If I would lament failure..on a certain player- I would say it must be Rio Ferdinard. at 30m price tag..the best CD in the europe...it is surprised to know that 2004/2005 FA cup is his 1st major tournamnent/final to get near on trophy. he had won no mdeal and he had helped no club to win anything..

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    not forgetting that Heskey played a large part of his Anfield career as an 'exciting' left winger!!!

    LIVERPOOL!!!!!!!


    but to sign Crouch at £7million, a highly unproven player at the highest level, is a huge risk.

    let's splash the moola elsewhere!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wong_se
    Heskey scored 60 goals for 4 season with us.

    Much higher goal scored compared to Smith..or most of the 2nd striker of MU, Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle.

    He won league cup, super cup, fa cup, charity shield, and Uefa cup with Liverpool where he played major role.

    I wonder why u woud feel he is a failure.

    Potential is potential. I have the potential to be the great artist, the sportsman, the PM, the whatever..but never realise it. U dun buy potential like Crouch at 7m....

    heskey is strong in the air...his role (instructed by houllier) is to be the main target man..to take up 2 defenders to free space for others.

    I dun see him winning headers in Penalty box often.. but there are more than 1000 times...he win headers for Owen and for his team mate..

    And I do see him running back to help defending Crouch certainly had not showned this capability and physcial level to run up and down.

    even though he's tall, he's also actually quite skillful. I have saw him scored goals that i would not have expected him to. He moves well and dribble well for a big guy. ie...goal against Munich in the Super cup, 5-1 thrash germany, and most recently (2004/2005) he dribbled past and march on 3 defenders to score againt Chalrton, he scored from long range against Everton, he run pass arsenal defender and scored against Arsenal.


    that ;s why we called "biased" on judgement in heskey.

    again - stats count, stats to analyse a player without much emotion judgement. Pls name me a 2nd striker for the club like MU, Arsenal, Chelsea, and Newcastle during the same period 2000-2004...that he can score 60 goals in total.

    I am doubt that u can have more than 1.

    So, heskey did scored goals rite ?

    And I am sure we dun need to look at "assit on goal". Heskey has the highest number on assist goal for Liverpool during 2000-2004.

    So..a striker can go..can assit on goal, had won medals - it is a failure...???

    If I would lament failure..on a certain player- I would say it must be Rio Ferdinard. at 30m price tag..the best CD in the europe...it is surprised to know that 2004/2005 FA cup is his 1st major tournamnent/final to get near on trophy. he had won no mdeal and he had helped no club to win anything..
    Statistics is skewed by other factors such as no. of apperances...

    Like i have said before... over 4 seasons, Heskey scores about 15 goals/season... according to your stats. But does he scores 15 or more per season? I dun think so. Likelihood if you examine the stats will show he scores maybe close to 20 goals in 1st season as well as the season when we won 5 cups (reason: we play more matches).

    If you compare Smith, it's not really appropriate. Everyone knows that Smith's strength is not in his scoring ability. His strength is in his hunger and passion as well as his determination. IIRC, he scored almost 1 goal/match for several matchs until Rooney joins Man U and he play less. (again, more appearance= more goals). Heck, even you compare Rooney and Heskey, Heskey may score more goals than Rooney but who is a better player/Striker? Alot of other factors must be considered.

    When Heskey plays at Liverpool, he's main role is a secondary striker (except when Owen is injured). He played at least 80% of matches, prob more if i count sub. appearances. As such, it's not unreasonable to expect him to score 15 goals each season (not average... average is for stats only and not meaningful to me..)

    He play about 50-60 matchs per season and so the ratio is only about 0.25-0.3 goals per match.. Not exactly very high for league.

    Also, i feel he's a failure because i think he can easily be a 20+goals/season striker if he impose himselves more. You saw how many times he has tumbled under tackles, some very soft. Come on, with his size, you expect referee to believe he will fall over so easily?

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    Owen 158 goals / 297 apperances / 0.53 goals per game
    Fowler 171 / 330 / 0.52
    Collymore 35 / 81 / 0.43
    Baros 27 / 106 / 0.25
    Heskey 60 / 223 / 0.269

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake
    not forgetting that Heskey played a large part of his Anfield career as an 'exciting' left winger!!!

    LIVERPOOL!!!!!!!


    but to sign Crouch at £7million, a highly unproven player at the highest level, is a huge risk.

    let's splash the moola elsewhere!
    All transfers are a gamble, a calculated risk.
    Birminham wanted to sign Forsell for 5m and his knees prob won't held up. We paid 11m for Diouf and he turns out spits more than he scores. We signed Kewell and he has yet to produce. We signed Stan Collymore and he turns out to be trouble maker.

    Similarly, Alex Ferguson gambled 500,000 on Schmeichel when no one heard abt him, paid 2m for Cantona (then a leeds player with reputation akin to laurent robert now). Arsene gamble on Henry (a flop many times over under his Juve time), Koure (who is he? why he plays in CD anyway?).

    Even Houllier has his gems.. he paid peanuts for Hyypia....

    Crouch will be a calculated risk and it's one we can afford. We don't need him to contirbute significantly now. He can spend next 2 years developing his game.

    We have Baros, Cisse, Morientes, Pongolle, Mellor..so we have enough strikers so long as no disastrous injuries hell happen to us again.

    Hence, we pay for potential not established quality. Imagine if you sign a regular international, you think he will be willing to sit on bench, behind Morientes and Cisse?

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    agree that can't look at stats alone. Looking at the away he played... everytime he receives the ball... were you expecting him to score? or lose the ball? or crumble to the ground?

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