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    Quote Originally Posted by icebear78 View Post

    i probably understand where you're coming from. e.g. framing the right shot/angle will probably never be replaced, BUT some of the "tricks" like focusing/defocusing which is manipulating the focus position & aperture, can already be done post photo taken.. this is 1 example i meant whereby technology just replaced one of the many skills of a photographer. We'll probably have sensors which can compensate more light without needed to sacrifice exposure time, which will replace the shutter speed and ISO. All you need now is a Lytro like camera which is super sensitive which allows a near infinitely controlled amount of light to enter, and tada. ISO, aperture, shutter speed is a thing of the past.

    Like it or not, technology WILL replace alot of skills. eventually. This is not something negative, it just means the photographer has to focus on getting the right shots, right angle, at the right time, no need to keep fingerings the settings and leave it all up to technology for the rest. Some may argue otherwise, but just watch the news in the coming decade or so. Think of it like RAW except you can adjust more than just the lighting.
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    Just imagine the photographer is the teen we all talking about

    Pro Photographer, Cheap Camera (#7 Sean Lee Davies)

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights View Post
    The more you believe in this, the less likely you can understand. :-)
    are you implying:
    you're always happy with your shots? that every shot you take is of the perfect setting (aperture/focus/ISO/shutter speed)?
    that you have never taken some photos then go home to realise it was the wrong setting (or could've been better), and that you chould have/should have used another setting?
    that you never missed a shot due to adjusting your settings?

    if no, means you're even more pro than most professional photographers liao. i am 100% certain that even pros does not have 100% perfect everytime.
    if yes, then you'll benefit from technology, when it does arrive.



    embrace technology! it takes the fun out but helps you bits! (just like how vehicle assist technology in F1 makes the car more boring to drive but sometimes makes them drive better, cos even F1 drivers are humans, sometimes mistakes and misjudgements are made!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by icebear78 View Post
    i probably understand where you're coming from. e.g. framing the right shot/angle will probably never be replaced, BUT some of the "tricks" like focusing/defocusing which is manipulating the focus position & aperture, can already be done post photo taken.. this is 1 example i meant whereby technology just replaced one of the many skills of a photographer. We'll probably have sensors which can compensate more light without needed to sacrifice exposure time, which will replace the shutter speed and ISO. All you need now is a Lytro like camera which is super sensitive which allows a near infinitely controlled amount of light to enter, and tada. ISO, aperture, shutter speed is a thing of the past.

    Like it or not, technology WILL replace alot of skills. eventually. This is not something negative, it just means the photographer has to focus on getting the right shots, right angle, at the right time, no need to keep fingerings the settings and leave it all up to technology for the rest. Some may argue otherwise, but just watch the news in the coming decade or so. Think of it like RAW except you can adjust more than just the lighting.
    Yes and no.

    Yes, technology making taking photos easier. I remember the time when we have to go to kodak center to get our photo negative developed and only after that can I see what type of craps I have taken... and a roll of film wasted. This was not the case anymore when I can go trigger happy, then delete all the photo that I found crap, with my new digital camera, and I can easily shoot at any angle I wanted at a scene without having fear that I am wasting money (film... well... one roll of film is not cheap. and so you don't go 'experimenting').

    However, having said that, there is no way you could take the skills and eye of a photographer away. That is what make the difference between two person with camera, one of them a good photographer (with the matching skills and techniques and an eye for the art) and another a joe with no skills but a good and high and mighty camera.

    Well.. the joe with excellent camera gears might get a sharp and excellent photo but that would just be the same crap that is sharper and crispier. While the good photographer got the million dollar shots.

    Like it or not, technology do help a lot, but unless the computer could do the thinking for you and tell you when to press the shutter release, you cannot replace skill with technology. And even if the computer is that smart, and could do that for you... then you will be seeing heaps of photographs that are the same throughout with no uniqueness, why? because every Tom, Dick and Harry can buy the same camera and the computer in those cameras are the same and so all the shots that came out are the same.

    Also don't believe too much that post processing can do all the trick. Sure, as technology evolve... it can do most of the tricks... but if you could get things right in the first instant, would you still want to spend all your time behind the desk PPing all the obvious problems that should in the first place be avoided?
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    Quote Originally Posted by icebear78 View Post
    embrace technology!
    I have! I hug my Microsoft Surface RT now and then, and I hug my 7D and EM5 every now and then

    I would have slept with them... if my bed is a bit bigger. Hahahahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    Yes and no.

    Yes, technology making taking photos easier. I remember the time when we have to go to kodak center to get our photo negative developed and only after that can I see what type of craps I have taken... and a roll of film wasted. This was not the case anymore when I can go trigger happy, then delete all the photo that I found crap, with my new digital camera, and I can easily shoot at any angle I wanted at a scene without having fear that I am wasting money (film... well... one roll of film is not cheap. and so you don't go 'experimenting').

    However, having said that, there is no way you could take the skills and eye of a photographer away. That is what make the difference between two person with camera, one of them a good photographer (with the matching skills and techniques and an eye for the art) and another a joe with no skills but a good and high and mighty camera.

    Well.. the joe with excellent camera gears might get a sharp and excellent photo but that would just be the same crap that is sharper and crispier. While the good photographer got the million dollar shots.

    Like it or not, technology do help a lot, but unless the computer could do the thinking for you and tell you when to press the shutter release, you cannot replace skill with technology. And even if the computer is that smart, and could do that for you... then you will be seeing heaps of photographs that are the same throughout with no uniqueness, why? because every Tom, Dick and Harry can buy the same camera and the computer in those cameras are the same and so all the shots that came out are the same.

    Also don't believe too much that post processing can do all the trick. Sure, as technology evolve... it can do most of the tricks... but if you could get things right in the first instant, would you still want to spend all your time behind the desk PPing all the obvious problems that should in the first place be avoided?
    I never discounted the photographer. i acknowledge that the eye for good shots and skills will probably never be replaced. What i'm saying is that technology will make the photographer's life that much easier. And i'm not talking about post editing. I'm talking about future tech that will give you the options to change the little stuff, like focus, exposure, that will help reduce reshoots, multiple exposures and reducing number of shots taken to get the right shot right nearly everytime, without playing with a host of features, thus allowing the photographer to more freely explore and avoid limitations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icebear78 View Post
    i probably understand where you're coming from. e.g. framing the right shot/angle will probably never be replaced, BUT some of the "tricks" like focusing/defocusing which is manipulating the focus position & aperture, can already be done post photo taken.. this is 1 example i meant whereby technology just replaced one of the many skills of a photographer. We'll probably have sensors which can compensate more light without needed to sacrifice exposure time, which will replace the shutter speed and ISO. All you need now is a Lytro like camera which is super sensitive which allows a near infinitely controlled amount of light to enter, and tada. ISO, aperture, shutter speed is a thing of the past.

    Like it or not, technology WILL replace alot of skills. eventually. This is not something negative, it just means the photographer has to focus on getting the right shots, right angle, at the right time, no need to keep fingerings the settings and leave it all up to technology for the rest. Some may argue otherwise, but just watch the news in the coming decade or so. Think of it like RAW except you can adjust more than just the lighting.
    Well, there will always be some human element - which is the interpretation.

    Personally, I know where you're coming from. Following your line of argument, you don't even need to focus on getting the right shot or angle, just the right time. Technically speaking a super-advanced camera would probably be able to form a minimap of the whole place and "move" so that you can change your perspective and angle at whim. In fact, technology might progress to a point where you can just send your teleporting imaging device out to catch a sunset while you're still back home, and just spend most of your time adjusting it accordingly to suit your taste. That would be a sad day for me- a huge part of photography for me is the "gamble" and effort I put into travelling to a place, "finding" an angle to make sure I nail it in camera. Photography would be a lot less fun without all these things in your theoretical situation.

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    referring to TS's original post .... whether its, skateboarding, cars, motorbikes, stereo, fishing, cycling, painting, drawing, photography.... such comments always exist in one form or another

    Often its just an off-the-cuff comment borne out of ignorance and not intentionally to hurt and yes we all feel like pulling out our hair when we hear cheap words make light of our activity

    Good to point out the finer aspects of our hobby and maybe generate new entrant into photography
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    Quote Originally Posted by edutilos- View Post
    Well, there will always be some human element - which is the interpretation.

    Personally, I know where you're coming from. Following your line of argument, you don't even need to focus on getting the right shot or angle, just the right time. Technically speaking a super-advanced camera would probably be able to form a minimap of the whole place and "move" so that you can change your perspective and angle at whim. In fact, technology might progress to a point where you can just send your teleporting imaging device out to catch a sunset while you're still back home, and just spend most of your time adjusting it accordingly to suit your taste. That would be a sad day for me- a huge part of photography for me is the "gamble" and effort I put into travelling to a place, "finding" an angle to make sure I nail it in camera. Photography would be a lot less fun without all these things in your theoretical situation.
    i would hate to see the day it comes, where we no longer have to go there to take the shots. Part of the thrill is to be there, and try your best to take nice photos to share. Lytro already gives abit of the ability to change your focus anytime, and recently those super high resolution 360degree mega compilation pano shots. http://360gigapixels.com/london-80-g...-photo-en.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by icebear78 View Post
    I'm talking about future tech that will give you the options to change the little stuff, like focus, exposure, that will help reduce reshoots, multiple exposures and reducing number of shots taken to get the right shot right nearly everytime, without playing with a host of features, thus allowing the photographer to more freely explore and avoid limitations.
    Guess what... the future tech is not future anymore. Lots of DSLR and compact... even my future nokia 1020 (future be it, I haven't bought it yet), had all these options you have posted Anyway, I understand full well where you are coming at. Technology made life simpler, not just for photography, but for everything. Imagine that you can set your bathtub to fill with water (warm water and at a temperature you wanted) at home while you are still in your office... well... people in US are doing it already... and I imagine that tech to flow to Singapore soon.

    Anyway, I am never against new technology. I like them... I hope they do all the thing I wanted... it make life sooooo simple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rhino123 View Post
    Guess what... the future tech is not future anymore. Lots of DSLR and compact... even my future nokia 1020 (future be it, I haven't bought it yet), had all these options you have posted Anyway, I understand full well where you are coming at. Technology made life simpler, not just for photography, but for everything. Imagine that you can set your bathtub to fill with water (warm water and at a temperature you wanted) at home while you are still in your office... well... people in US are doing it already... and I imagine that tech to flow to Singapore soon.

    Anyway, I am never against new technology. I like them... I hope they do all the thing I wanted... it make life sooooo simple.

    i think what's happening here is that sometimes technology is a threat to some people, cos it makes people redundant (remember 3 decades ago when computers were introduced, and the office secretaries were loath to embrace it cos it made them redundant), likewise, overdose on technology will bridge the gap between a pro and a noob, meaning anybody with a keen eye or a gift can do what a pro can do once technology allows a person to bypass all the configurations now required. you no longer have to count on your years of experience to get the right settings quickly with as little manipulation as possible. it'll be simply point and shoot, and let the tech takeover choosing what's really best, seeing what the eye cannot even see on the little LCD.
    1 simple example is DSG gearbox. you no longer have to keep practicing your manual gear shifting to be fast, cos no matter how fast, DSG will be faster than you at gear changes. though still not very reliable now, it is still pretty ok (especially the wet DSG gearboxes) and can only become more reliable once they iron out the crap.

    sidetrack.. bathtubs are shams to me.. i only used my twice in 4 years.. lol.. i guess all the PUB ads on saving water has drilled into my generation..

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post

    . . . and that she could take the same photo with her compact camera.
    Yes, she can if you print your photo for her to take with her compact.

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    the eye, style, skill, techniques, thought process, creativity, story etc can never be replaced by automation.

    it's not about the threat of technology, but the lack of awareness of how we get the image and the cost we bear is being belittled by ignorance, or people out to exploit photographers to save money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    the eye, style, skill, techniques, thought process, creativity, story etc can never be replaced by automation.

    it's not about the threat of technology, but the lack of awareness of how we get the image and the cost we bear is being belittled by ignorance, or people out to exploit photographers to save money.
    you are right to say that. But... this is nothing new to discuss about.

    This 'problem' has been around in the entire human civilization. not recent and not only exclusive in photography.

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    Quote Originally Posted by icebear78 View Post
    i would hate to see the day it comes, where we no longer have to go there to take the shots. Part of the thrill is to be there, and try your best to take nice photos to share. Lytro already gives abit of the ability to change your focus anytime, and recently those super high resolution 360degree mega compilation pano shots. http://360gigapixels.com/london-80-g...-photo-en.html
    Lytro is also producing only 640 pixels images at the moment. The technology is still very very far off.

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    With new technology advances, will come new skills to learn and master.

    With all the the computers nowadays, yes, the secretary's job is much diminished. But a ton of other jobs are created, like the different kinds of IT professionals out there, not to mention the developers out there.

    Human element will always be there. Be it one way or another.

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    Theres no right or wrong answer ts, my suggestion you better not fall on her ....

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    Theres no right or wrong answer ts, my suggestion you better not fall on her ....
    Fall on her???

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    Past- fell

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkersNg View Post
    I have some friends who think this way too, and I always try to explain things to them but as you mentioned, they think that their oh so godly S4 can do better than my camera, and sometimes when I happen to bring my camera out, they'll take a picture and apply a filter to it, and tell me how they can add a filter from their "camera" but I can't from my camera
    lol I've encountered this too!

    In such cases, I sling my camera aside... whip out my phone/snap/add filter and show them my nicer photo! They usually agree, because the angle/perspective/exposure/moment shows through!

    Technology helps, but having the necessary skills and photographic vision is equally important

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