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    Quote Originally Posted by peteryeo
    Maybe all PRO photographer must go for a test like Distinctions Criteria by some photographic society like example The Royal Photographic Society or Master Photographic Association.

    From there all their photo will judges by panel and at the end of the test you will be issue a title like LRPS,ARPS and FRPS.With this title you can print them into your name card.

    This is my own point of view.Not again any people here.

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    Associations and titles may help a pro but only to a certain extent.

    More importanantly I think a pro has to make the distinction between his works and an amateur's. Or he may have a specialised knowledge and skills and equipments that an amateur may not have. Or he could produce a feel and look that evades an amateur.

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    will starting the SPA and then issue certificates to candidates who pass test. just like driving
    u got
    BT
    AT
    then the driving

    Once you got the certificate u can use it to secure photography demands eg,
    model photography
    wedding photography
    etc

    Ultimate its the price that 1 is paying n the value of return that they are getting

    eg certificate in wedding photography - S$100.00
    renewal fee per 2 yrs S$50.00 - film slr , S$100 for Digital

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiang
    will starting the SPA and then issue certificates to candidates who pass test. just like driving
    u got
    BT
    AT
    then the driving

    Once you got the certificate u can use it to secure photography demands eg,
    model photography
    wedding photography
    etc

    Ultimate its the price that 1 is paying n the value of return that they are getting

    eg certificate in wedding photography - S$100.00
    renewal fee per 2 yrs S$50.00 - film slr , S$100 for Digital
    Why stop at a mere certificate. Degree in photography better! I can forward you some of the e-mail in my yahoo bulk mail folder if you want to apply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by politicalartist
    hahahahahahahha,that is damn pathetic!!!!!!!!
    don't laugh bro, its true man, i saw it happen maybe 2 or 3 mths ago only................wat to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stereobox
    if you may, let me share with you, what the term 'professional photographer' means to me.

    it doesn't just mean someone who makes a living by accepting pay for taking pictures.

    first of all, he/she is someone who has a very good understanding of light and lighting, and how to manipulate it to affect photography. no matter presented with whatever kind of situation, location or subject, the professional photographer would be able to deal with it. he/she would not be stuck with, let's just call it a shot-block, where the photographer spend a long time, if not hours, wondering how to shoot it.. either due to lack of preparation or knowledge. whether it's getting right angle, selecting the right lens, lighting it the way its meant to be etc, he/she shouldn't fear or be daunted by the task.
    challenged, maybe, but not handicapped by it. if the shot is impossible to pull off, he/she would be able to professionally handle and provide an alternative solution.

    secondly, a professional photographer should be able to conduct him/herself in a professional manner. in all sense of the word.

    also, this may sound a bit coarse ... if a photographer who calls him/herself 'professional' .. and markets him/herslf to a certain niche, eg. fashion, it better be because they are really good at it, has a very good future and strong interest in the subject matter etc. and not because they do not know how to shoot any other things.

    lately, there have been an increasing number of individuals who have made their first step into 'professional' photography by shooting PR events and weddings... an area traditionally volatile in terms of market rates. while there is no particular need to regulate the 'market'...as this should vary according to the skill/experience level of the photographer and expectations of the client... we should all hope the photographers charge appropriately according to their professional standards, and not because of 'stealing' market.
    If my england that power too.............i can write better essay here...
    but your say too me also correct.
    Till now, my areas falls in human fields only. Product wise still ok, but still got abit more way to go compare to others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rncw
    Thanks for the link, the annual subscriptions still the same as when they started, but the last updated of the site is quite sometime back.

    Should I join back than? $120 per year, and maybe nothing happening for that year again?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfman
    There is such society, whereby commercial/professional forms it. Becos of alot of ppl nowadays owns a Digital, its makes photography looks easy.

    So, alot ppl jump inside and start shooting, anyhow quote, so prices nowadays drops.

    During film times, photography was a form of profession, now with digital, its juz a tool to make a living.
    Before digital age, already have some photographers very poor in technical, have you hear about really have someone do bracketing from f2.8 all the way to f22?

    Have you hear about have someone send a roll of trans for clip test, after a few clip tests on the same roll, and decided to push 2/3 stop(something like that), when the trans came out, the lab tech found out that this roll of trans has bracketing exposures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights
    Before digital age, already have some photographers very poor in technical, have you hear about really have someone do bracketing from f2.8 all the way to f22?

    Have you hear about have someone send a roll of trans for clip test, after a few clip tests on the same roll, and decided to push 2/3 stop(something like that), when the trans came out, the lab tech found out that this roll of trans has bracketing exposures.

    Yeah, hear abt it also, sometimes don't know what are they thinking.....

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    so cute... go to this page http://www.ppas.com.sg/commitees.html

    2 chaps were DI'ed into it... seems like computer wizardry is part of the package, after all!

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    Quote Originally Posted by catchlights
    Thanks for the link, the annual subscriptions still the same as when they started, but the last updated of the site is quite sometime back.

    Should I join back than? $120 per year, and maybe nothing happening for that year again?

    hahaha may be quite true also

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    Quote Originally Posted by erwinx
    Why stop at a mere certificate. Degree in photography better! I can forward you some of the e-mail in my yahoo bulk mail folder if you want to apply.
    What I mean is not getting a degree for photography that will boost your title length. Why are they not doing something like providing acreditation to the member workflow and standard ? It could be a 2 way benefit for the photographer and the public. Anyway just my 2 noobie cents

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    Quote Originally Posted by peteryeo
    Maybe all PRO photographer must go for a test like Distinctions Criteria by some photographic society like example The Royal Photographic Society or Master Photographic Association.

    From there all their photo will judges by panel and at the end of the test you will be issue a title like LRPS,ARPS and FRPS.With this title you can print them into your name card.

    This is my own point of view.Not again any people here.

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    i remember probably a year ++ ago, there was a member of the RPPS or dont know what shortform name society, on clubsnap. apparently some people couldn't take his high-handed language or something defending the societies, so he quit CS. he had a couple of shots that were pretty nice, i thought. but that kind of left me wondering if the people really were just qualification chasers instead.

    i mean, when people send their cars to the workshop, who cares if the mechanic has minimum a PSLE pass, or merit or honors in rocket design? so long the job meets the minimum "pass" criteria, i think most car owners will be happy. anything else is just icing on the cake. (but i hate icing, the REAL cream...)

    Quote Originally Posted by smurfman
    Bro, no use one. I saw one guy claim to charge wedding shoot above $1k, but 1 fine day, theres a thread looking for free photographer, he jump in very qiuckly, so, wat to do?
    i dont know if this was his reason - volunteerism, perhaps? www.sif.org.sg/yep or http://www.nvpc.org.sg/

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    why so worried about it.
    how many of you want to turn professional?

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    i dont know if this was his reason - volunteerism, perhaps? www.sif.org.sg/yep or http://www.nvpc.org.sg/[/QUOTE]

    Bro, that was a company D&D, and that particular issue was a big hooha here..............

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    oops apologies there smurfman, i have not been following the threads of late

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    Quote Originally Posted by smurfman
    I hear it some where, 1 old man asking a middle age photographer at night, whats the speed now, the guy set to programme mode, shoot it( D70), under, set to shutter piority, trys and he tells the old man the speed.
    Hey man, I certainly hope u're joking... I thought I'm bad enuff giving bad estimates for ISO, Shutter Speed and Aperture value for a newbie, but SWITCH TO PROGRAM MODE TO TELL THE SHUTTER SPEED?! Dats absolutely crazy.

    Some shots i see cannot make it, but ppl still say VERY GOOd, wat to do???
    Dunno why, I see some shots, really jit tao cannot make it. And I weep upon seeing it, my friend still say, "Eh? Looks ok wad."

    Maybe its the price they paid for it.... $1000+ for one of those mini-wedding album.... That's why my friend's husband hear me firing bombs and bullets at every single photo in the album, his face turn black-black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsbn
    ...Maybe its the price they paid for it.... $1000+ for one of those mini-wedding album.... That's why my friend's husband hear me firing bombs and bullets at every single photo in the album, his face turn black-black.
    well, there seems to be some truth in that...

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    Ok, I dun say much.... But apparently the photographer did not help to pose them, fired over 100 shots with only 50 shots turning out (of cos, the photographer blamed the camera even though the studio lights fired), out of the 50 shots they were made to choose 24 'good ones' (blurred, overuse of special effects, and honestly unnatural poses).

    I cannot think of a reason NOT to fire bombs and bullets at it. If dat ain't my buddy's sister, I wun care 2 hoots abt it...

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    Am I correct to say you are referring the bridal portraits for your friends? The so call studio's wedding shoots?

    That's not the kind of pictures what smurfman referring..., he is referring to some pictures posted in pose and portrait forum.

    Btw, $1k is about the average price range of bridal portraits, if the couple shows me their portrait album, no matter how bad is the quality, I never make any negative comments on the photos, not only base on professional courtesy, but also about human relationship.

    Try to put yourself in their shoes, “if” the photos are that really that “bad”, you’re just rubbing salt into it and not offer anything more constructive. No wonder your friend's husband will get upset.

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    From the consumers/clients point of view: They dont really mind if the photographer does not bears that professional tag as long as he has a good portfolio. Simple as that.

    Professional or not, to have a network of 'professional' photographers will become a cliche network sooner or later. These kind of associations have its pros and cons. Its the same when I first join the so called exclusive Graphic Designer's club. It was fun at first getting know other designers and hearing their views on job market and opportunities. We had this feeling that our jobs will one day be taken away by 14-year olds who knows how to use Photoshop. I feel its the same thing happening with photography.

    Anyway, if you're good then you'll have clients wanting you to work for them. Digital just makes life easier. Experience is still the most important part of 'professional' 'photography'. The main problem is most people dont know how to do business. That's why you see all these 'double standards'. In fact, why should the 'professionals' worry so much if these newbies arent a threat to your business? I've worked with lots of 'professional' photographers and most of them arent starving yet. I guess the need for good photographers are still in demand.

    Prices going up or down depends on how you much want to charge. If other photographer charges cheaper, then its their problem.

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