Interesting thread in dpreview(Open Letter to Nikon)

[damian77]

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/re...ssage=13455853

What do the rest of the CSers think?

[thoa_rs]

I agree with him, Nikon needs to seriously push out their D100 replacement soon. And it better have something better than CAM900.

[yanyewkay]

bravo bravo..*clap*clap*

but.. "just you wait.. they have something really big in store for you.. just you wait.."

[Kho King]

I really hope and feel that Nikon need to come out with something at 8MP to compete with Canon 20D.

Nikon D70s vs Canon 300D

Nikon D2x vs Canon 1Ds MK2

Nikon D50 ... (still not yet out, by the time it's out, canon might have another model oredi)

Canon 20D ... (no fight from Nikon)

Canon 1D MK2 (no fight from Nikon. D2hs...outdated)

[yanyewkay]

D50 prob is set against 350D

but I think many will argue D70 is not on same level as 300D.
I think it's the same level though..

20D to D100?

We're on 2 extremes.. Canon produces products so fast that ppl are wary to get them and wait for newer models. Nikon on the other hand releases products so slowly people are also complaining.. hard to please everyone huh

[glennyong]

well.. i believe theres no point in writing letters or what so ever. If Nikon decides to release it ornot, its not up to the consumers to give the pressure or the decision, therefore its the person (Nikon) to decide. If Nikon decide not to release any models to replace D100. let it be.

all you have to do is just wait...

theres no point in whining..

obsoletly no point..

[alechim]

In my own opinion, I think the writer trying to hint Nikon should give some trace of what developments Nikon is advancing into. With this at least we the Nikon supporters can get some assurance of the future.

[alechim]

Originally Posted by yanyewkay D50 prob is set against 350D but I think many will argue D70 is not on same level as 300D. I think it's the same level though.. 20D to D100? We're on 2 extremes.. Canon produces products so fast that ppl are wary to get them and wait for newer models. Nikon on the other hand releases products so slowly people are also complaining.. hard to please everyone huh

From my pt of view, Canon is fast and furious but products are full of bugs...
Nikon really slow and steady...

[nightwolf75]

Originally Posted by alechim From my pt of view, Canon is fast and furious but products are full of bugs... Nikon really slow and steady...

eh. u sure abt dat, alex? 20D, by and large, most will admit its a big booboo by releasing too early without fixing the bugs. however, for the rest the releases (350D, 1DsMkII) we have YET (i say this with reservations.. who knows? tomorrow a major bug might crop up) to hear any major major problems or frequent firmware patching.

the writer has some valid points (tho i'm of the camp dat thinks he's just venting his spleen.. heehee..). his bottom line is, while his d70 might deliver the goods, his clients are under the perception dat they are NOT getting their money's worth on a 6MP 'only' camera. as he said, his clients are thinking why pay him so much for using a D70 camera, while they are shooting their kids with 8MP camera? fair perception from the clients? nope. but, tough. dats the reality of the mkt. as james cameron said at the oscars, who says size dun matter? people who dun know better, think more MP the better. and, even sadder to say, people who know better think so too (some times). i shudder to think if the writer shows up one day for his assignment with a D2hs which is 'only' 4MP.

wat he's driving at is asking nikon to be more forthcoming in their product releases, like the other camp. this is, as he said, for working photographers to plan ahead in their purchases (to impress their clients? i dunno..). slow and steady won the race for the tortoise. however, there are times its necessary to be the first to beat the tape. mebbe in the writer's case (where clientale's perception is all dat matters to preserve his ricebowl), this is all dat matters.

[alechim]

Originally Posted by nightwolf75 eh. u sure abt dat, alex? 20D, by and large, most will admit its a big booboo by releasing too early without fixing the bugs. however, for the rest the releases (350D, 1DsMkII) we have YET (i say this with reservations.. who knows? tomorrow a major bug might crop up) to hear any major major problems or frequent firmware patching. the writer has some valid points (tho i'm of the camp dat thinks he's just venting his spleen.. heehee..). his bottom line is, while his d70 might deliver the goods, his clients are under the perception dat they are NOT getting their money's worth on a 6MP 'only' camera. as he said, his clients are thinking why pay him so much for using a D70 camera, while they are shooting their kids with 8MP camera? fair perception from the clients? nope. but, tough. dats the reality of the mkt. as james cameron said at the oscars, who says size dun matter? people who dun know better, think more MP the better. and, even sadder to say, people who know better think so too (some times). i shudder to think if the writer shows up one day for his assignment with a D2hs which is 'only' 4MP. wat he's driving at is asking nikon to be more forthcoming in their product releases, like the other camp. this is, as he said, for working photographers to plan ahead in their purchases (to impress their clients? i dunno..). slow and steady won the race for the tortoise. however, there are times its necessary to be the first to beat the tape. mebbe in the writer's case (where clientale's perception is all dat matters to preserve his ricebowl), this is all dat matters.

certain models for canon...10D,20D???I might bee bias here, but Canon gives me this persception though.What he said has a pt too. I too find it Nikon too hush hush already. I dont mind they keep mum about releases of camera. What I am interested is what are their future plans, for e.g research into their own CCD??? Maybe a 8MB DSLR??? Replacement for D100???

[Kho King]

I believe a 12MP D2x is definitely better than a 4MP D2h. No? hahaaa...

[di0nysus]

Originally Posted by glennyong well.. i believe theres no point in writing letters or what so ever. If Nikon decides to release it ornot, its not up to the consumers to give the pressure or the decision, therefore its the person (Nikon) to decide. If Nikon decide not to release any models to replace D100. let it be. all you have to do is just wait... theres no point in whining.. obsoletly no point..

Customers are the one who pay Nikon their salaries. And Nikon shld listen. If not, more will shift camps.

[Beachboy]

Nikon should immediately launch D100 replacement ASAP otherwise there will be more and more people jump to other cam....

i believe there is allot of people is waitting for it

[espn]

Originally Posted by thoa_rs I agree with him, Nikon needs to seriously push out their D100 replacement soon. And it better have something better than CAM900.

If it is, how many are willing to pay for it? Or just going to say "Oh Nikon has a better camera"?

Originally Posted by Kho King I really hope and feel that Nikon need to come out with something at 8MP to compete with Canon 20D. Nikon D70s vs Canon 300D Nikon D2x vs Canon 1Ds MK2 Nikon D50 ... (still not yet out, by the time it's out, canon might have another model oredi) Canon 20D ... (no fight from Nikon) Canon 1D MK2 (no fight from Nikon. D2hs...outdated)

Why would 20D not comparable with D100? Apart from the 5fps and 8mp, what else has the 20D to offer? 1D MK2 no fight from Nikon? Sure? Personally, the controls of the 1DMK2 already turned me off. Not to mention my favourite pick on the 1DMK2 whereby the buffer gets lesser when you tune up the ISO.

Try tuning it on a D2HS and see if the buffer drops. Smirk.

Originally Posted by Kho King I believe a 12MP D2x is definitely better than a 4MP D2h. No? hahaaa...

Not necessarily better, if you're talking about speed, D2H still wins.

Originally Posted by di0nysus Customers are the one who pay Nikon their salaries. And Nikon shld listen. If not, more will shift camps.

If Nikon listens, they'll go bust in no time. Free unlimited warranty, Cam2000 modules and cost 1K? Heh... be reasonable. Nikon doesn't just manufacture SLRs and Nikkors only. They still have other business and industrial products.

And if Nikon does listen, how many would be willing to splurge and buy the releases? Most of the people complaining don't even buy, it's just to feed their ego that they compare their makes vs others!

Come on... get a life

[nightwolf75]

Originally Posted by Beachboy Nikon should immediately launch D100 replacement ASAP otherwise there will be more and more people jump to other cam.... i believe there is allot of people is waitting for it

erm... a lot of people as in a lot of working photogs or enthusiasts like u and me?

think abt it. as amatuers and/or hobbists, wat izit abt ur camera rite now dat CMI? if u (for example) is using a d100. wat izit abt ur current d100 dat makes u wanna throw it at the nearest wall for the rumoured d200?

there's a world of difference bet a working photog and a hobbist/amatuer. as in the letter writer's case, he needs a big MP camera to impress clients (notice he din say he needs a big MP camera to produce better images). wat do i need, as a hobbist, a big MP camera for (realistically speaking)? who am i going to 'impress'? heck.. all things being equal, my wife is going to 'impress' the camera on my arse if i go and buy the 1DsMkII.

[espn]

Originally Posted by nightwolf75 erm... a lot of people as in a lot of working photogs or enthusiasts like u and me? think abt it. as amatuers and/or hobbists, wat izit abt ur camera rite now dat CMI? if u (for example) is using a d100. wat izit abt ur current d100 dat makes u wanna throw it at the nearest wall for the rumoured d200? there's a world of difference bet a working photog and a hobbist/amatuer. as in the letter writer's case, he needs a big MP camera to impress clients (notice he din say he needs a big MP camera to produce better images). wat do i need, as a hobbist, a big MP camera for (realistically speaking)? who am i going to 'impress'? heck.. all things being equal, my wife is going to 'impress' the camera on my arse if i go and buy the 1DsMkII.

The things I find needs improvement in the D100 are:
- faster I/O
- better WB
- 3D MM II
- Cam1300 (and yes I would be willing to pay for it!)
- i-TTL/CLS

Like I said already if Nikon comes out with your dream camera, I'll bet most of the complainees now would go "Aiyah, so ex, how to buy". That's why I say Nikon would go bust sooner if they produced such a product. It's doable, but practical?

Regardings more MP for marketing, it's true. I find it very hard to market a D2H of 4mp than a D100's 6MP although the D2H's sensor produces a better image.

Until the day everybody is educated, else the request and need for more MP will always exists.

[nightwolf75]

Originally Posted by espn The things I find needs improvement in the D100 are: - faster I/O - better WB - 3D MM II - Cam1300 (and yes I would be willing to pay for it!) - i-TTL/CLS

espn -> <- nw

i said hobbist! u are a semi-working photog. different story!

[Beachboy]

Originally Posted by nightwolf75 erm... a lot of people as in a lot of working photogs or enthusiasts like u and me? think abt it. as amatuers and/or hobbists, wat izit abt ur camera rite now dat CMI? if u (for example) is using a d100. wat izit abt ur current d100 dat makes u wanna throw it at the nearest wall for the rumoured d200? there's a world of difference bet a working photog and a hobbist/amatuer. as in the letter writer's case, he needs a big MP camera to impress clients (notice he din say he needs a big MP camera to produce better images). wat do i need, as a hobbist, a big MP camera for (realistically speaking)? who am i going to 'impress'? heck.. all things being equal, my wife is going to 'impress' the camera on my arse if i go and buy the 1DsMkII.

I as a hobbist dont really need i fast cam.... only need a better CAM1300/CAM2000 module, bigger MP and hopefuly with bigger viewfinder.......


i dont mine if Nikon launch a D100 replacement with the same spec or lower spec (maybe 1 fps) but with 12MP ......

[yanyewkay]

you sure you want 12mp? you have any idea how big each file will turn up? I'm only using a lousy 1.6GHz laptop and loading my D70 pics are already taking some time.

[thoa_rs]

Originally Posted by espn If it is, how many are willing to pay for it? Or just going to say "Oh Nikon has a better camera"?

I'm sure there's quite a good market for it, as long as within the $2,000-3,000 range, people will spring up for it. Same target audience as the 20D.