Normal to buy brand new D70 with shutter count 600+?

[b00boo]

Just bought a brand new Nikon D70 from Cathay Photo about 2 weeks back. Just ran the Opanda software today to see the shutter count. Imagine my surprise when I saw the shutter count was 600+, after deducting the shots I fired. Is it normal for a brand new set to have been used? Is there grounds for complain or ist just my luck?
And there is dust on the inside of the kit lens. Now I have to take time off to go down Nikon for servicing.

[TMC]

well looks like you got a set that was used to demostrations. whether you want to pursue it is up to you.

[zmwang]

mine is the same, 6 months ago, also 'wow'

[espn]

Was the software released by Nikon? If not, how do you know for SURE it's 600 shutter count being fired?

The only MOST accurate way is to send in to Nikon to check.

[b00boo]

Originally Posted by TMC well looks like you got a set that was used to demostrations. whether you want to pursue it is up to you.

But they have to say it right before I buy...or is it expected that the customers should clarify 1st before buying? My assumption is that brand new means not used...If it is a demo set..shouldn't it be stated clearly and sold much cheaper? I know big reputable stores do that...

[kennyleong]

where can i get the Opanda software ?

[RockPopCorns]

Originally Posted by b00boo Just bought a brand new Nikon D70 from Cathay Photo about 2 weeks back. Just ran the Opanda software today to see the shutter count. Imagine my surprise when I saw the shutter count was 600+, after deducting the shots I fired. Is it normal for a brand new set to have been used? Is there grounds for complain or its just my luck? And there is dust on the inside of the kit lens. Now I have to take time off to go down Nikon for servicing.

the shutter counts is norm. think about the QC check in factory..etc..
if really that matters to you, send back to nikon thailand to "zero" count on your body so that you will feel better..

I dont see the problem between "zero" or 600+. Are you going to curse yourself whenever you going to press on the shutter release button? ease up man..

Is your shoots counts, not the shutter counts..

Dust on lens is again, another norm, if you really particular bout dust on lens, the only thing you can do is to inspect before you buy off from the shop..
little bit of dust on lenses wont hurt you much on shooting..

above both qns had been asked in this forum many times, do a search, you will find more answers.

hope its helps.

[b00boo]

Originally Posted by espn Was the software released by Nikon? If not, how do you know for SURE it's 600 shutter count being fired? The only MOST accurate way is to send in to Nikon to check.

True...was tinking about that too. But assuming that it is true, is it unprofessional of them? Or am I just being too sensitive?

[zmwang]

google and download.

[espn]

Namely is

1) Dust is ever present in the areas of SG, you get them even if Nikon cleans every inch of the glass. Unless it affects the image, otherwise don't bother.

2) Shutter count is just a number, worrying about the shutter won't get you your image. Being so concious of the shutter will only make you lose shots.

Think about it.

[RockPopCorns]

Originally Posted by kennyleong where can i get the Opanda software ?

yahoo search "opanda"

get Opanda iexif ver 1.8, its free.

[b00boo]

Originally Posted by RockPopCorns the shutter counts is norm. think about the QC check in factory..etc.. if really that matters to you, send back to nikon thailand to "zero" count on your body so that you will feel better.. I dont see the problem between "zero" or 600+. Are you going to curse yourself whenever you going to press on the shutter release button? ease up man.. Is your shoots counts, not the shutter counts.. Dust on lens is again, another norm, if you really particular bout dust on lens, the only thing you can do is to inspect before you buy off from the shop.. little bit of dust on lenses wont hurt you much on shooting.. above both qns had been asked in this forum many times, do a search, you will find more answers. hope its helps.

Didnt know QC check also do test shot? Thot shld be zero when left the factory. Its not really about the "shutter count", but rather that a brand new set has been slightly used but not told to the customer at the point of sale. Get what I mean?
Ya dust on lens in normal, but on the inside of the lens less normal. Affects the picture. Not obvious when seen on the LCD, but can be seen on the computer.
Tried searching but nvr found it...thats y asking...

[timlim]

Mine was zero count when I ran exif software on my D70, so I'm not sure if the checks Nikon do at the factory involve so many shutter counts.

As for being happy with the camera as long as it works, I suppose it's a personal preference. When you buy something new, you have every right to expect it to be new. Would you accept delivery of a "brand new" car which showed 600km on the odometer? Some would, some wouldn't, I guess it's up to the individual.

My kit lens did have some dust in it though. I checked through a few sets at the shop, and they all had some dust particles, but not enough to affect image quality.

[b00boo]

Originally Posted by timlim Mine was zero count when I ran exif software on my D70, so I'm not sure if the checks Nikon do at the factory involve so many shutter counts. As for being happy with the camera as long as it works, I suppose it's a personal preference. When you buy something new, you have every right to expect it to be new. Would you accept delivery of a "brand new" car which showed 600km on the odometer? Some would, some wouldn't, I guess it's up to the individual. My kit lens did have some dust in it though. I checked through a few sets at the shop, and they all had some dust particles, but not enough to affect image quality.

My sentiments exactly. Am glad that it works fine! Now if this was a brand new car...I would kick up a fuss with that 600km mileage! haha...esp since car costs so much more. Didnt see the dust inside of the lens until see the pic on the com...oh well...at least still under warranty...n heard servicing the lens is free! Now just have to find some time to go down...

[elixir]

Originally Posted by b00boo My sentiments exactly. Am glad that it works fine! Now if this was a brand new car...I would kick up a fuss with that 600km mileage! haha...esp since car costs so much more. Didnt see the dust inside of the lens until see the pic on the com...oh well...at least still under warranty...n heard servicing the lens is free! Now just have to find some time to go down...

The dust must really be a big spec to be seen in the pictures.......

[timlim]

I think it would take quite a big particle of dust for you to be able to see the effect on the picture. Even then, it would appear as a big shadowy cloud rather than anything that resembles a speck. Could it be that you have dust on the CCD instead that is affecting the picture?

[b00boo]

Originally Posted by timlim I think it would take quite a big particle of dust for you to be able to see the effect on the picture. Even then, it would appear as a big shadowy cloud rather than anything that resembles a speck. Could it be that you have dust on the CCD instead that is affecting the picture?

Ya more of a shadowy cloud...i didnt say it was a speck. Somemore took pic of the clouds in the sky...at 1st thot it was a bird
Hmmm.....u mean on the mirror inside the body? Coz now can see it when viewed through the viewfinder. But I tink its on the lens instead...coz jus took the lens to see...must see from angle then can see...very fine....

[elixir]

dun think it's the dust on the lens....... there could be dust on your ccd

It is very common to have dusts. All lens have dust......

[timlim]

If it's that hard to see on the lens, very unlikely that it's big enough to affect picture. I'm guessing it's dust on the CCD (not the mirror). And maybe you also have dust in your viewfinder (also quite common).

To check CCD, use the mirror lock-up option (read the manual) and see if you can see any visible specks of dust or particles on the CCD (the greenish panel inside the cam). But if you're not familiar with the workings of the camera, then perhaps the safest solution is to pay a visit to Nikon service centre...

[timlim]

forgot to add, DO NOT TOUCH THE CCD to try to remove dust or for any reason!