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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    Mr Tommy Koh wrote a very well written article in today's newspaper on this subject on how we can tackle the haze. With his connections and social standing, I hope follow up actions will be done.
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    Everyone living here has a part to play and this is for your generations to come. To the 5 million Singaporeans and our FTs living here, your actions will determine if the haze will return or not.
    He is brilliant! Yeah, we should all stop using all products made from palm oil and stop bathing and shampooing. We should also boycott the use of paper, tissues and toilet paper! This will teach them!
    Palm oil products - What is palm oil used in?-GreenPalm | A fresh approach to sustainability
    Haze: 40 times cheaper to burn than use machines, says expert
    Tommy: The main culprits in the present case are the plantation owners who have chosen to clear land on the cheap by burning. They are the ones starting the fires without regard for the damage caused to their own citizens and their neighbours.
    While a civil lawsuit against them may be an option, a more immediate alternative is a citizens' boycott of products made by plantations that clear land by burning.


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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post

    He is brilliant! Yeah, we should all stop using all products made from palm oil and stop bathing and shampooing. We should also boycott the use of paper, tissues and toilet paper! This will teach them!
    Palm oil products - What is palm oil used in?-GreenPalm | A fresh approach to sustainability
    Haze: 40 times cheaper to burn than use machines, says expert
    Mr Koh didn't says not to use palm oil related products. Btw, palm oil are produced by many countries and there are responsible plantation owners even within Indonesia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    Mr Koh didn't says not to use palm oil related products. Btw, palm oil are produced by many countries and there are responsible plantation owners even within Indonesia.
    He said to boycott the plantation's products, majority of which is palm oil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreaming View Post
    what lesson did you learn from this very bad haze in history for Singapore?
    Prepare a disaster kit, lotsa bottled fresh water n can food. Jus in case.

    We haf to be ready n prepared.
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    It is impossible to boycott the plantation's products, majority of which is palm oil.
    Palm oil is an ingredient used in many downstream products.
    It is used in the manufacturing process.

    Manufacturers buy palm oil from big suppliers/middlemen/plantations to use in their process.

    Ordinary consumers do not buy raw palm oil.

    Consumers who buy manufactured products from retailers are in no position to boycott palm oil.
    It is impossible for a consumer to know in a particular product which has palm oil as one of the ingredients - which particular plantation the palm oil used in its manufacture, came from.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dreaming View Post
    what lesson did you learn from this very bad haze in history for Singapore?
    we should bomb indonesia and take it over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheesecake View Post
    Prepare a disaster kit, lotsa bottled fresh water n can food. Jus in case.

    We haf to be ready n prepared.
    Very true, never ever rely on anyone but yourself personally to ensure the safety of your family in times of dire crisis or worst.

    I'm more or less self-sustainable in terms of basic needs and crucial daily necessity with sufficient energy, food and water supply for four others and myself to last 72 hours in a Chemical, Biological, Radiological, and Nuclear (CBRN) related disaster as per international recommendations. Probably ~ 120 to 168 hours if rationing is imposed in worst case scenario.
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    Recently ordered a portable fuel cell generator to replace the pre-existing 5kw portable diesel generator though it's only rated for continuous power output rating of 150 watts but the manufacture claimed to be more efficient though. Hmm..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    It is impossible to boycott the plantation's products, majority of which is palm oil.
    Palm oil is an ingredient used in many downstream products.
    It is used in the manufacturing process.

    Manufacturers buy palm oil from big suppliers/middlemen/plantations to use in their process.

    Ordinary consumers do not buy raw palm oil.

    Consumers who buy manufactured products from retailers are in no position to boycott palm oil.
    It is impossible for a consumer to know in a particular product which has palm oil as one of the ingredients - which particular plantation the palm oil used in its manufacture, came from.


    Well said. This is another reason why a solution is not so simple. The region produces commodities like oil, natural gas, palm oil, pulp and paper. So we can't just boycott these commodities. It is very difficult to stop burning as it is the cheapest solution for land clearing. But for most (August to May) of the year, the wind does not blow towards Singapore so the easiest solution would be to encourage burning when the wind is blowing into the Indian Ocean and to discourage burning during the South-West monsoon (June - Sept).
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    What we need is wind to blow the haze to Jarkarta. Pin don't poke flesh, don't know pain.

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    what lesson did you learn from this very bad haze in history for Singapore?
    The haze is no fight for Hello Kitty.

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    It just means that people who love cats are tougher

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    But for most (August to May) of the year, the wind does not blow towards Singapore so the easiest solution would be to encourage burning when the wind is blowing into the Indian Ocean and to discourage burning during the South-West monsoon (June - Sept).
    That will be during the Northeast Monsoon period whereby the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) rain belt start dumping its moist load of precipitation upon us in the region when global trade winds gather around and merge along equatorial latitudes as it does so repeatedly without fail ever single year for millennia pass. Not easy to start a forest / peat fire in the open, much less maintain them in a continued, self-sustaining state as such for an extended period of time then.

    Be very, very grateful that we do not experience prolonged seasonal periods of droughts and heat waves that some regions such as California does. Igniting isolated pockets of wild fires that ultimately conflagrate into massive firestorm infernos before destroying the lives of thousands of families year after year after year and the only solution to contain it from spreading further is by suppressing fire with fire.
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    That will be during the Northeast Monsoon period whereby the Intertropical Convergence Zone (ITCZ) rain belt start dumping its moist load of precipitation upon us in the region when global trade winds gather around and merge along equatorial latitudes as it does so repeatedly without fail ever single year for millennia pass. Not easy to start a forest / peat fire in the open, much less maintain them in a continued, self-sustaining state as such for an extended period of time then.
    Agree. It would be good if they can find a dry enough period from Oct to May to burn.

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    Read some article where by haze or cloud seeding could cause these(Hailstorm)..till now my town council nor NPB dint do anything to it..not even putting barriers to warn park users.

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    One whole stretch of fallen trees... along the park.
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    Read some article where by haze or cloud seeding could cause these(Hailstorm)..till now my town council nor NPB dint do anything to it..not even putting barriers to warn park users.

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    One whole stretch of fallen trees... along the park.
    i doubt that hailstones as small as that could cause the trees to fall.

    anyways warn park users not to do what? walk there? i'm sure they have eyes right?

    you just need to tell them that the trees need to be cleared.

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    Of cos those fallen trees r not caused from hailstones lah...if it can, than there will be lots of corpses on the street on that day hahaha... these fallen trees are caused by winds like tornados one the same day the hailstorm occurs.. even spotted leaves blown up and stuck on walls as high as 8-10th floor

    At lease cordon off the area with tapes, as some broken branches is still hanging on the trees and u won't know when it will fall.... of cos adults can see..im referring to kids whom are not as aware of surrounding as us
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    ... of cos adults can see..im referring to kids whom are not as aware of surrounding as us
    Let the kids play ... they will be happy to have something natural instead of weird colour metal structures on wobbly safety floors ..
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    Of cos those fallen trees r not caused from hailstones lah...if it can, than there will be lots of corpses on the street on that day hahaha... these fallen trees are caused by winds like tornados one the same day the hailstorm occurs.. even spotted leaves blown up and stuck on walls as high as 8-10th floor

    At lease cordon off the area with tapes, as some broken branches is still hanging on the trees and u won't know when it will fall.... of cos adults can see..im referring to kids whom are not as aware of surrounding as us
    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Let the kids play ... they will be happy to have something natural instead of weird colour metal structures on wobbly safety floors ..
    kids who are forever kept in a safe zone will never learn how to venture out to try something new

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    kids who are forever kept in a safe zone will never learn how to venture out to try something new
    True and agree

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