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    Quote Originally Posted by sfoto100 View Post
    not sure if my above post is relevant , as LTA is asking for views on

    1. The definition of Cat A in the COE framework
    2. Multiple car ownership

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    SURVEY on COE Categories and Multiple Car Ownership

    Dear Sir/Madam,

    The Land Transport Authority (LTA) is conducting a survey on the Certificate of Entitlement (COE) framework, from the perspective of social equitability.

    COEs are allocated primarily by means of the market because it is the most appropriate way to allocate a limited but non-basic resource. Cars are not basic necessities, as we have a comprehensive public transport system and the Government is investing significantly to further expanding and improving it. However, for social equitability purposes, to give mass market car buyers a better chance against more well-off buyers in the COE bidding system, there are two COE categories (Cat) for passenger cars, Cat A and Cat B.

    In conducting this survey, we recognise that due to our land constraints, it is not possible for everyone in Singapore to own a car. If COEs are made easier for one group to secure, another group will have less of an opportunity. Your views will help to shape the consensus on where this balance should lie. With this in mind, we would like to seek your views on two areas:

    (A) The definition of Cat A in the COE framework

    (B) Multiple car ownership

    Please be assured that your responses will be kept strictly confidential.

    This survey will take about 5-10 minutes of your time.


    src: LTA Feedback Portal
    Tuck is going to need your feedback again.

    http://ride.asiaone.com/news/general...m-presence-cat

    Premium presence in Cat A

    Christopher Tan | The Straits Times | Tuesday, Jan 28, 2014A number of European brands are staying put in COE Category A when a new power cap for the category kicks in next month.
    Volvo, Citroen, Volkswagen and Audi have brought or are bringing in a slew of diesel and low-powered models that falls below the 130bhp limit for Cat A cars.
    The limit - on top of an existing 1,600cc ceiling on engine capacity - was introduced to create a more level playing field in Cat A.
    The category has long been the preserve of mass market models, until brands such as Mercedes-Benz and BMW started having 1.6-litre models about four years ago.
    In response to complaints that premium cars were squeezing out bread-and- butter cars - because their sellers had fatter margins and buyers had deeper pockets - the Government introduced the power cap.
    Many of these premium cars have turbocharged petrol engines that produce more than 130bhp. From next month, they will migrate over to Cat B, where bigger cars reside.
    But Volvo Cars has brought in a wide range of diesel variants that meet the new power cap. These include the large S80 sedan, the V40 premium hatchback, V60 wagon and S60 compact performance sedan.
    Like all diesel cars, they have relatively low horsepower but high torque levels.
    Citroen has done likewise. Diesel versions of its C4, C5, DS4 and DS5 are already here. Its C4 Picasso, a compact MPV, and seven-seater Grand C4 Picasso will have diesel variants here soon.
    The cars not only meet the new power limit, but they also qualify for carbon rebates of as much as $15,000.
    Citroen also claims that its cars can run on Malaysian diesel, which has a higher sulphur content than diesel sold here.
    Over at Audi, a number of new models planned before the COE re-categorisation exercise arrive this year.



    - See more at: http://ride.asiaone.com/news/general....kfjqbOGP.dpuf

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    Feedback is like ask us for idea and he implement and he get his salary?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon View Post
    Feedback is like ask us for idea and he implement and he get his salary?
    But people might make effigies of him. http://news.insing.com/gallery/raili...a373101/548751

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon View Post
    Feedback is like ask us for idea and he implement and he get his salary?
    Feedback is useful if it is heeded and taken into consideration. If feedback received is swept into another reality, I better safe my energy for stalking kei and study lao tzi under Sion's tutelage.

    He can go sTuck himself all he wants.
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    Screw them! Took so much money and still want us to contribute more!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Foxshade View Post
    Feedback is useful if it is heeded and taken into consideration. If feedback received is swept into another reality, I better safe my energy for stalking kei and study lao tzi under Sion's tutelage.

    He can go sTuck himself all he wants.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    Screw them! Took so much money and still want us to contribute more!!
    I think this is their new consultative approach. They want to hear your views before they take your money.
    http://news.insing.com/tabloid/has-t...ve/id-c73b3f00

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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    I think this is their new consultative approach. They want to hear your views before they take your money.
    http://news.insing.com/tabloid/has-t...ve/id-c73b3f00
    Its just another additional step they take before they take your money. Must be the bright idea of some armchair scholars.

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    plot twist:

    they already wanted to implement it. they just came up with the idea of a dialogue to make it look as if they wanted feedback

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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    plot twist:

    they already wanted to implement it. they just came up with the idea of a dialogue to make it look as if they wanted feedback
    Many people already told LTA that it is a stupid idea but the feedback fell on deaf ears and they want to make life easy for themselves because OMV values can fluctuate, etc.
    http://forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/ea...4541596-2.html
    http://www.bmw-sg.com/forums/lounge/...isation-7.html
    http://edmw.sg/threads/changes-to-co...risation.2482/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post

    Its just another additional step they take before they take your money. Must be the bright idea of some armchair scholars.
    As if they will listen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kei1309 View Post
    plot twist:
    they already wanted to implement it. they just came up with the idea of a dialogue to make it look as if they wanted feedback
    Some form of democratic and legal justification approach to make it look sound.
    No doubt that SG needs a limitation for cars (unless SG wants to become the first inhabited car park). I'm just puzzled about the reckless / blatant 'cashing in' approach where a simple queue and 'first come, first serve' approach would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halfmoon View Post
    As if they will listen.
    They do listen....... but somehow, we will still end up paying more and more. Presumably, to pay them for listening to us!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Some form of democratic and legal justification approach to make it look sound.
    No doubt that SG needs a limitation for cars (unless SG wants to become the first inhabited car park). I'm just puzzled about the reckless / blatant 'cashing in' approach where a simple queue and 'first come, first serve' approach would do.
    COE was never about limiting number of cars on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    COE was never about limiting number of cars on the road.
    Please enlighten us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    COE was never about limiting number of cars on the road.
    COE is a cash cow.

    An artificially scarce invention of bureaucracy.

    By definition it skews the whole situation to grossly favour the very rich against the rest of the 97% of the population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ricohflex View Post
    COE is a cash cow.

    An artificially scarce invention of bureaucracy.

    By definition it skews the whole situation to grossly favour the very rich against the rest of the 97% of the population.
    This country belongs to the rich like Anton, they just need to "shut their mouth" and not say too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Octarine View Post
    Please enlighten us.
    Isn't it apparent?

    How much were you paying for a COE 10 years ago? How much are you paying now?

    Do you see any improvement in traffic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    Isn't it apparent?

    How much were you paying for a COE 10 years ago? How much are you paying now?

    Do you see any improvement in traffic?
    One piece of paper that cost $70K..... how much profit is that???

    So ridiculous....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kit View Post
    They do listen....... but somehow, we will still end up paying more and more. Presumably, to pay them for listening to us!
    If consultative means they add a step to "show" that they listen..... but final decision is still not taken into the account of the feedback... what for have it?

    I am concern about the direction....

    If we pay people more money to attract "better talent"... and if they solved all the problem... I think no one will be complaining...

    If I charged you Leica price, but give you..... Kodak disposable film camera quality... what will you think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by An drew View Post
    This country belongs to the rich like Anton, they just need to "shut their mouth" and not say too much.
    Well.... guess those who have no money better go to JB and retire... as advised by Minister...
    Art is perception; Perception is art.

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