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    Wanna ask those in the know, or perhaps in spf..

    If say a drunk guy for no apparent reason starts swinging at me, and I return a few punches in return, resulting both bruised and police came..

    Is it true I cannot charge him with assault and police will treat it as a brawl and both of us is equally guilty?

    If I actually hurt him then I likely be charged with assault instead?

    And that I should have instead Only try to push him away and try to run, in which case I still have the right to charge him with assault?

    Just wana know. thx
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    Quote Originally Posted by saberlancer View Post
    Wanna ask those in the know, or perhaps in spf..

    If say a drunk guy for no apparent reason starts swinging at me, and I return a few punches in return, resulting both bruised and police came..

    Is it true I cannot charge him with assault and police will treat it as a brawl and both of us is equally guilty?

    And that I should have instead Only try to push him away and try to run, in which case I still have the right to charge him with assault?

    Just wana know. thx
    if you charge him, how you plan to prove is he started the fight and you retaliate in self-defense?

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    ever thought of running if such an opportunity presents itself ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizuma View Post
    ever thought of running if such an opportunity presents itself ?
    Ever thought of being chased if ran?

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    >before running away, must take down particular of witness. they will help you in many ways.. especially waiter or bouncer or security guard

    erm tis is funny lol..
    Some guy throwing punches, I must be running in circles so that I may take down particulars of witnesses..

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    Quote Originally Posted by dreaming View Post

    多一事, 不如少一事
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shizuma View Post
    ever thought of running if such an opportunity presents itself ?
    No, natural instinct will be to hit back or make tht person disengage.. thts why wanna consider what level or kind of response is most 'appropriate' under our law..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dreaming View Post
    better run away..

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    I am no lawyer nor from the SPF. There are so much talk about 'fights' involving persons known to each other and the public cannot do anything. Even the SPF cannot intervene since this is considered a private affair. So much so that spouse are being bullied and Singaporean are not reacting.

    I find this amusing. Where on earth is there such a law? Maybe someone who knows can share here. A guy on a morning radio talk related that when he intervene a couple where the man is restraining the girl, that lady actually told him off to mind his own affair! He just back off and decides not to k-po next time. Isn't that sad? The radio station 93.8 didn't seek clarifications with the police and let it be!

    I have always k-po and have stopped many 'fights'. Some even among teenaged girls. The fact that the fights or commotions took place in public areas, it itself is creating a 'Public Order and Nuisance Act'. The police definitely has the power to advise offenders and act on it.

    I had a similar situation as the caller but they were in a corner of the shopping mall. Somehow that lady is afraid to 'loose' a boyfriend and both reacted aggressive when I stopped them. I told them I would have to call in the mall security as this is a private property. They can fight back home within their own bedroom if they wish. They decided to back off

    We should not allow such bullies to continue and think they can do what they wish. One day, that guy being bullied maybe you or someone close to you. Don't you wish someone will step forward and help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bukitimah View Post
    I am no lawyer nor from the SPF. There are so much talk about 'fights' involving persons known to each other and the public cannot do anything. Even the SPF cannot intervene since this is considered a private affair. So much so that spouse are being bullied and Singaporean are not reacting.

    I find this amusing. Where on earth is there such a law? Maybe someone who knows can share here. A guy on a morning radio talk related that when he intervene a couple where the man is restraining the girl, that lady actually told him off to mind his own affair! He just back off and decides not to k-po next time. Isn't that sad? The radio station 93.8 didn't seek clarifications with the police and let it be!

    I have always k-po and have stopped many 'fights'. Some even among teenaged girls. The fact that the fights or commotions took place in public areas, it itself is creating a 'Public Order and Nuisance Act'. The police definitely has the power to advise offenders and act on it.

    I had a similar situation as the caller but they were in a corner of the shopping mall. Somehow that lady is afraid to 'loose' a boyfriend and both reacted aggressive when I stopped them. I told them I would have to call in the mall security as this is a private property. They can fight back home within their own bedroom if they wish. They decided to back off

    We should not allow such bullies to continue and think they can do what they wish. One day, that guy being bullied maybe you or someone close to you. Don't you wish someone will step forward and help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by saberlancer View Post
    Wanna ask those in the know, or perhaps in spf..

    If say a drunk guy for no apparent reason starts swinging at me, and I return a few punches in return, resulting both bruised and police came..

    Is it true I cannot charge him with assault and police will treat it as a brawl and both of us is equally guilty?

    If I actually hurt him then I likely be charged with assault instead?

    And that I should have instead Only try to push him away and try to run, in which case I still have the right to charge him with assault?

    Just wana know. thx
    Just push away and run la.

    A drunkard can't run straight.....

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    Just tell him, come lar, we drink, being a drunk he sure to sit down for the drink, than order a few beer and find an excuse to go to the toilet and run away ........... without paying for the beer
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    Quote Originally Posted by saberlancer View Post
    Wanna ask those in the know, or perhaps in spf..

    If say a drunk guy for no apparent reason starts swinging at me, and I return a few punches in return, resulting both bruised and police came..

    Is it true I cannot charge him with assault and police will treat it as a brawl and both of us is equally guilty?

    If I actually hurt him then I likely be charged with assault instead?

    And that I should have instead Only try to push him away and try to run, in which case I still have the right to charge him with assault?

    Just wana know. thx
    Surely got reason. Maybe you did something that pissed him off.

    Anyway, you cannot charge a person. That is the police's job. You can file a complaint with the authorities and seek redress.

    If you hit back, the Police will see it as affray, and will investigate both of you for that offense. If you are charged for that offense you have the burden of proofing that your actions are in self defense. Which is very hard because there are so many ways of peacefully dissolve the situation, such as seeking the bouncer's help, calling police, temporary leaving the place to avoid a bad situation. But if you choose to return a punch, or in your case, a few punches, then even I also see it as brawling.

    Whether you actually hurt him or not, it is still an offense.

    If you push him away and run, it sounds like an acceptable discourse. But if the cops thinks that your 'push' is a 'push' to assault, then could still be brawling. They decide by viewing camera recordings, and statements from witnesses.

    Again, you cannot charge people. You don't have such powers. You can file a complaint, and you can sue for damages. Whether or not you success is another matter. Whether or not in the course of investigation they decided you also commit offences and wishes to prosecute you, is another matter.

    All in all, best not to get into a situation.

    Good luck for your case.

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    Pardon the spelling and typos.

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    It's been reported in the press multiple times in recent years. Assault is a non-seizable offence as long as it doesn't result in grievous hurt. Must file a magistrate's complain if one wish to pursue the case.

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    However, you do have the right to defend yourself.

    Nothing done in private defence is an offence
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    run zig zag.. I'm pretty sure the drunk guy can't catch u that way.. haha
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